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A quick peek at the 40-man roster

I hadn't looked at the Reds 40-man roster in a while, so I decided to check it out.  Did you know there are only 32 players currently on the 40-man roster?  (Reds.com lists 33, but I don't believe Andy Phillips belongs on there)  There's a lot of space to fill. 

Some of that will be with players that need to be protected from the Rule 5 draft.  Based on this list from Shawn back in October, I'd guess that Carlos Fisher will definitely be protected, and possibly Sean Henry, Shaun Cumberland, and Sam Lecure.  I don't believe they'll protect more than two players though because they have too many holes on the big league roster to fill.

I think all of these guys from the 40-man are pretty much locks to make the team in Spring:

Starters
Harang
Arroyo
Volquez
Cueto

Relievers
Cordero
Bray
Burton
Roenicke
Infielders
Hanigan
Votto
Phillips
Gonzalez
Keppinger
Encarnacion
Outfielders
Bruce
Freel
Dickerson

That leaves 8 open roster spots: SP, 3 RP, 2 OF, C, IF

The last starting pitcher spot will likely be filled from the 40-man roster, specifically from Owings, Bailey, or Thompson.  We may see bullpen help from Herrera, Masset, Fisher, one of the losers from the SP chase or, gulp, Majewski or Belisle.  I would guess though that Majewski and Belisle will not be offered arbitration and therefore will be released, freeing up 2 more spots on the 40-man roster. 

On the offensive side, there isn't a lot of help coming from the 40-man.  Adam Rosales, Wilkin Castillo, and Danny Richar all look like backups, and Hopper is the only remaining OF on the the 40-man roster.  I would say that Drew Stubbs and Danny Dorn are the only other outfielders in the organization that would have a shot at making the roster out of the spring, but both are unlikely.

So the Reds have a lot of work that needs to be done, but at least they have a lot of space to work in.  By my estimate, they are currently only on the hook for around $49.5 million in signed contracts, with EdE being the only likely arbitration case they'll face.  Throw in another $4-6 million to cover the pre-arb players, and it really looks to me like the Reds have some money to spend - at least $25-30 million, I would think. 

What do you think, can they build a winner with the money they have left to spend?

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With $25 mil, if they go and get Beltre, that’s $14 mil. (I hope they do this). When they inevitably get Willy Taveras, that’s $2 million. (I hate this idea, but it seems like them). Throw in two crappy relievers at $4 million each, that brings us to $24 million, and a team that is not much better. Go Reds!

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Yo Gabba Gabba

by Pops Daniels on Nov 20, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I love your signature

but the quote should be attributed to Brobee…

He’s cameron’s favorite

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 21, 2008 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, you guys the quote was from the 'Ohio Express'

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Nov 21, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fixed. For Cameron.

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Brobee

by Pops Daniels on Nov 21, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

isn’t that a great show?

It’s hard to find a lot of merchandise, but she has shirts of all the characters and brobee gloves and toboggan

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 21, 2008 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the only show

that stops Jasper in his tracks to watch. Me too sometimes. I started to blindly tell him about Devo the other day when Mark Mothersbaugh was on and he looked at me like any 21/2 year old should.

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Brobee

by Pops Daniels on Nov 21, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's exactly the case with her

it’s like she’s in a trance.

she doesn’t really care about dora or sesame street or any of that.

it was the first show she paid any attention to, and the only movements she has when watching it is she dances along to the songs.

I think it’s a good show too though, the songs are pretty good.

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 21, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Get a room you two

How about here?

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh yeah, sharp shooter?

How did you stumble across that one? Don’t you have pullandpray.com bookmarked.

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Brobee

by Pops Daniels on Nov 21, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

I pray then pull. Then cry and beg forgiveness.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Soooo rec'd

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

shut up, spongebob

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 21, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PINK!

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My boy is addicted!

He can’t stop dancing just at the TiVo Central screen that proceeds a screening of YGG in my house.

As for merchandise, there’s plush Brobee, dancing Brobee, and a YGG tent…

Oh, yeah – and his middle name is Koufax. The wife was very understanding.

by PeteyHendrix on Nov 21, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my wife initially agreed

to name our 6 month old Nuxhall. She changed her mind shortly before he was born. Koufax is a rockin’ middle name.

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Brobee

by Pops Daniels on Nov 21, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

she changed her name after you told me about it

she had high respect from me, then lost it in an instant!

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 21, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait till you meet her

she scares the shit out of most folks. I does what I’s told.

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Brobee

by Pops Daniels on Nov 21, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not scared of tall people...

short people are the ones that scare me

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 21, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Short people are the ones to keep an eye on.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I mean, fear not! Said the angel Gabriel.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Nov 21, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We all need to get together

A la fireworks night, but with kiddies or something.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Love to

Booze, food, and kids. Sounds like a winner.

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Brobee

by Pops Daniels on Nov 21, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or a typical Tuesday for jch

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 21, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He said winner, not weiner.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where'd you find the tent?

She’s getting a tent of some sort for Christmas, and that would be perfect.

she has all the individual plushes

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 21, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the tent:

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/185-9650415-2533946?asin=B0017QN2RE&&AFID=Performics_Top20Toys20for20Kids&LNM=Yo20Gabba20Gabba!20Play%20Structure&ref=tgt_adv_XASD3208

And here’s more fun:
http://www.top-toys-kids.com/yo-gabba-gabba.htm

I am terribly embarrassed that I can’t figure out how to post a decent link.

by PeteyHendrix on Nov 22, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks!

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 22, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just type the text you want to display

and then select that text. Next click the chain link icon. Paste the URL in the box that pops up and hit okay. That will display a nice link.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 22, 2008 7:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EPIC FAIL!!!

your link went to a yahoo search page!

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 22, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go to Target.com

and enter Yo Gabba Gabba Play Structure.

Start here

by PeteyHendrix on Nov 23, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah dude

This is a Link.

"There's a party in my tummy, so yummy, so yummy!" ----Brobee

by Pops Daniels on Nov 22, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or this one.


Lance Link – Secret Chimp.

"Patterson, Keppinger, Bako.... Cream of the Suck" -Slyde

by snohio on Nov 23, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This one is missing

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 23, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I say save us all the grief and just say no

Don’t do this to yourself again Reds fan, just don’t do it.

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Nov 20, 2008 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We have one more spot now, we are down to 33 on the 40 man

LHP Tyler Pelland was outrighted to Louisville.

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by MixFMKyle on Nov 20, 2008 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nevermind

my math is failing me. Slyde is right.

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by MixFMKyle on Nov 20, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

when is the rule 5 draft?

are we gonna have to take up a spot with one?

by Daedalus on Nov 20, 2008 12:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rule 5

Doug points out that the Rule 5 protections have to happen today. He thinks 5-6 players might be added to the 40-man, but I think it’s more likely 2 or 3.

The actual draft takes place on December 11th. Whether the Reds will pick somebody in that draft is anybody’s guess.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

d'oh

I didn’t know that Manuel and Maloney needed to be protected. I think both will be added to the 40-man as well with Fisher and possibly Cumberland, Henry, or Lecure.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doug updated that page

He says:

Today the Reds added to their 40-man roster RHP Carlos Fisher, IF Juan Francisco, RHP Sam Lecure, LHP Matt Maloney and RHP Robert Manuel… the Reds also outrighted off the roster LHP Tyler Pelland, while IF Andy Phillips refused an outright assignment and elected free agency…the Reds’ roster includes 37 players

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by BubbaFan on Nov 20, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm trying to think of anyone who isn't protected who should be...

here’s a dumb question that i once knew the answer to but have since forgotten – A ball players and lower aren’t subjected to the draft, right? hence the reason frazier and soto, for example, aren’t on the 40?

by Daedalus on Nov 20, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It more has to do with when they were drafted

From Wikipedia:

Players signed at age 19 or older are exempt from the Rule 5 draft for three years after being drafted (in the amateur draft) or signed by their current organization; players drafted or signed at age 18 or younger are exempt for four years. For example, players drafted or signed in 2007 at age 19 (or older) will be exempt through the 2009 Rule 5 draft, as will players drafted or signed in 2006 at age 18 (or younger).

Francisco must’ve signed in 2004, but he didn’t start playing in Billings until 2006. Anybody know if that’s true? Otherwise why would he need to be protected (if he signed in 2005, he’d have been 18).

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just checked

Francisco was signed as a non-drafted free agent on 5/6/04. Hence the reason he’s now on the 40-man.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think level matters

Or teams would just stash all their players in A-ball.

What counts is how many years they’ve played pro baseball. From Wikipedia:

Players signed at age 19 or older are exempt from the Rule 5 draft for three years after being drafted (in the amateur draft) or signed by their current organization; players drafted or signed at age 18 or younger are exempt for four years. For example, players drafted or signed in 2007 at age 19 (or older) will be exempt through the 2009 Rule 5 draft, as will players drafted or signed in 2006 at age 18 (or younger).

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 20, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

/slyd

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball America's explanation:

The way it is structured now is that clubs have four years (for players signed at age 19 or older) and five years (for players 18 and younger) before deciding whether to place a player on the 40-man roster. Players who aren’t put onto the 40-man are subject to the Rule 5 draft.

Put more clearly, high school players drafted in 2004 and college players drafted in 2005 will be eligible for the first time. International players signed in 2004—and all other players signed in 2004 before age 19—also require protection.

It costs $50,000 to add a Rule 5 player to a major league roster. The caveat is that teams must keep that player on their big league club all season, otherwise they must offer the player back to his original organization at half the price. They cannot simply option them to the minor leagues.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Nov 20, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

That’s why the Yankees left Alan Horne unprotected. If a team could take him and put him in the minors, they would. The Yanks are betting that no team wants to keep him on the big league roster.

That’s the bet the Rays made with Josh Hamilton…and lost.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 21, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

The Reds and Rangers sure would hate to be the Rays right now.

by Brendanukkah on Nov 21, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Furcal

I would try and sign Furcal with part of this money. I would think a 3 or 4 year deal for 12-15 million would net him. We could still try and get Beltre and move EDE to left. This team would be significantly better defensively on the left side of the field and Furcal would give us the lead off man we need.

by CamIam on Nov 20, 2008 1:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

you know

i think im on board with this. he made 13 mil the last few years, so offer him a 3 year deal at 15 per. i think he would bite at that. then go and get Beltre. i was lukewarm on Furcal, but im not sure why now. we should make a run at him.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 20, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

innings?

Let’s get younger. Wait and take the lumps one or two more years. Crossroads, sell your soul and win momentarily, or build something within? I want the Dynasty back.

by SadbutTrue on Nov 20, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think Furcal would be just a "win momentarily" move

the opposite, actually. he seems a good bet to maintain his value over those 3 seasons (age 31-33) and we arent trading any of our young talent to get him. the length of that contract (which of course presupposes he would accept a 3 year deal) is especially appealing, as most of our big-ticket guys are signed through ’11 (BP, Harang, Arroyo, Cordero).

 i think regardless of what Gonzo is signed for, Furcal makes sense. we labored through years where management played mistake contracts just because of the money. call it a sunk cost (as it pertains to him starting at SS, i think he could still be a quality UT guy) and let’s move on.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 20, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sunk Cost

I agree totally on Gonzo, I almost put that in my original post. Also, I’m not sold on Valaika being a ML SS so I see no real SS prospects in the minors. We need a SS who can play solid defense and can get on base, especially since Dusty is going to bat whoever plays SS at the top of the order. Furcal fits that role perfectly, plus he doesnt cost us any prospects.

As I said earlier this wouldn’t be my only move. I would try hard to put together a package for Beltre, and then ship Arroyo plus whoever to Texas for Teagarden or Salty, then move EDE to left field. This gives us a competitive team next year and we will not have to empty the minors to do it.

by CamIam on Nov 20, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Idea

I would say if we didnt have Alex Gonzalez under contract this year for the 5 MM mark the Reds would be all about it. Unless they don’t think he will be good to play in 2009, I doubt they consider it. Remember Jocketty said, if they add another SS why would want a guy with less than 3 years service time. I would think that means they want to trade for a guy like Clint Barmes

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by MixFMKyle on Nov 20, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Furcal makes alot of sense

the only concern would be health.
Traditionally- he has been durable so if the doctors give the okay it would be a good signing.
Supposedly- Furcal is a target of Oakland which is good in that a smart organization likes Furcal but also may drive up his price. Also when you look at the FA SS next year- its very slim prospects for the SS market.
A Gonzales/Kep platoon would be interesting at third. Obviously not traditional platoon situation, but Kep has killed leftys even last year with a busted knee cap. Gonzo/Kep at the very least should be average fielding and possibly around 800 OPS.
Move Ed E to LF- just like the Brewers did with Braun and I do believe you would have an interesting team next year. If Dusty manages the pitching staff better- just do nothing crazy with Harang and keep Bronson under 110 pitch count- you should have a significantly improved defensive.
If you dont sign a FA SS- at this point I would stay pat. I would leave LF open because that spot may be needed for Votto. And really work with Ed to try to improve his defense to a tolerable level.

by davidmac84 on Nov 20, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Back injuries make me nervous,

particularly with middle infielders. I agree that they should stay away from Furcal. He was a decent but not spectacular defender, and it’ll be difficult to maintain that in his 30s with a bad back. Plus he’s not going to be cheap with all of the love he’s getting from Oakland and elsewhere.

The free agent market this year is pretty uninspiring. I also looked at the Japanese FAs but there doesn’t appear to be a single SS or corner OF that could be a credible starter for a good MLB team. Dunn may be the guy that makes the most sense, unfortunately. Maybe Walt can start earning his keep and pluck us a real SS or RHB from a trade.

by ken on Nov 20, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

somewhere

I read that his agent won’t discuss performance incentives related to health and talked about how he was cleared by the “best back doctor in the world.”

We’ve got a local sports radio talk show that is “the world’s best.” I’m not buying either one.

by ol Pete on Nov 20, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a World's Best Dad mug

Are you call my mug a liar?

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

He’s calling your son a liar.

BTW, how ya feeling today Mr. Sniffles?

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

About 75%. Thanks for asking

I wasn’t too bad yesterday, but sinus headaches makes it very hard to think about more than one thing at a time, which is what I usually need to do to pull posts on this site during work. Uh, not that I do that.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say that you are really mean

and then i read what I wrote and realize that it doesn’t even make sense. I must be sicker than I thought.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i always post at work

guess im just smarter than you

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 20, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I work at home, so I'm always at work

and I won’t deny that most people here are smarter than me, but I’m an admin and can ban your ass. Who’s smarter now? Yeah!

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Slyde did you take a minute to aplly my cold/flu rememdy?

No or you’d be 110% by now.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

another question is how much does old Bob plan to increase the payroll

the payroll last year according to espn was $74,117,695. The $25-30 million here basically takes us back to that level, with all the talk of Bob putting a competitive team on the field can we expect anything more out of the wallet? It’s been clearly documented here and other places there is not much out there is year but will Bobo back up his word on this at all?

by OURob on Nov 20, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

honestly, I was thinking more about trades than free agency

but I think the payroll level right now allows the Reds to acquire a more expensive player. I really don’t know if it’s worth it though because most of what we come up with just gets the Reds back to par. If they are going to build a team to make a long-term run, waiting a year to make some moves might be the best path.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to sound like an asshole

But I’m tired of building for the future. Do something. Anything. We had these same “with a couple of shrewd pickups and some luck we can contend next year but we should be completely rolling in ’09!!!” conversations last winter.

I know there’s not a lot out there and I’m not advocating doing anything retarded. I guess I’m just really damned tired of perpetually being a couple of years away from the playoffs/pennant.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

asshole

the flip side of that is that I don’t want them to pick up another Eric Milton or Alex Gonzalez just to look like they are doing something. If they can get a good player, get him. Otherwise, don’t waste our time.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw the figure of "mid-$80 million" thrown around as a payroll figure

And also reminding folks to remember that most of the money coming off the books from Dunn, Griffey, and Stanton is going to raises for Phillips, Harang, Arroyo, Cordero, etc. It was probably Fay or Trent.

by Brendanukkah on Nov 20, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have the Reds

at 46.625 in existing contracts plus EE arbitration and the pre-arbitration players. So if the Reds do nothing- the payroll should come in a little under 60 million.
The raises came to around 18 mill and the Reds cleared Griffey, Dunn, Stanton, Patterson- 3million, Affeldt, Hatteberg, Ross and Castro. so they cleared about 37 million in payroll.
So they could spend around 15 million and keep the payroll about the same.
With this economy- I have a feeling teams are adjusting their budgets downward. So some pretty good bargains may be available at the end of Free Agency like Lohse last year.

by davidmac84 on Nov 20, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Reds need to go all out and win now

They have the pitching. Who knows how effective our guys will be in 2-3 years.

Although I want the Reds to compete right away, I don’t want the team to mortgage its future by gutting the farm system. Instead, they should sign Furcal and trade for Beltre. I don’t think acquiring Beltre would have that big of an impact on the farm system.

BTW, I’m a big fan of spending Bob’s money.

by Snake the Jake on Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why is Andy Phillips still on the roster?

Are they really planning to offer him arbitration or something? Hoping to trade him?

I’d think they’d have a better use for the roster spot, since they DFA’d him once already.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 20, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just throwing this out there...

What about Randy Johnson? He was still very effective last year (173K / 44BB). I don’t think people realize how much he pitched. Hell, I had him on my fantasy team and even I didn’t realize he started 30 games and threw 180 innings.

He made 10M last year and supposedly offered to take a 50% pay cut to stay with the DBacks, which they declined. I know he makes more sense for a team that’s very close, but for 7-8M any team should take a shot, right?

What if Arroyo fetched us Hardy and we rolled the dice with Unit?

by Red Menace on Nov 20, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm

I like that idea a lot lot lot. Bob gets his “big name”, Arroyo can be traded for an SS or a catcher, and the Reds can please please please trade for Beltre.

They look like they’re badly in need of some depth right now. Pitching depth exists, and I think that the Reds can make up the ~30 or so innings that Randy loses to Arroyo easily. But they have no OFs or infielders worth a damn right now…Menace, your idea is crazy enough to work I tell you!

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Nov 20, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WIN NOW!

The future is overrated.

-give Towers a nice package for Peavy, and give Peavy rea$on$ to accept a trade to cincy
-lets take on Beltre’s entire salary, and send Seattle the prospects
-Juan Cruz or Bob Howry? let’s sign both.
-Furcal? sure
-catcher? lets send Texas an arm.

I’m tired of Hope.

Tomorrow never comes.

Lets do something today.

by jacob brumfield on Nov 20, 2008 6:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

you kids and your wacky weed...

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 20, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolute correct Jacob Brumfield

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Nov 21, 2008 1:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

MLB owners approve change of power of Yankees

Why do the owners have to approve this? The team’s ownership hasn’t changed hands. I don’t see how it’s any different from changing the Director of Baseball Operations.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 7:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

its never a No-News Day

when the Yankees are in the league.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Nov 20, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scratch the Cuban.

Dayan Viciedo, the 19-year-old 3B prospect, is signing with the White Sox, according to the Chicago Tribune.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Nov 20, 2008 8:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Vaya con dios, Dayan Viciedo

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about Carlos Guevara - who the Padres took from us last year as a Rule 5

Evidently, we let the Padres send him to the minors for a PTBNL or cash. I know he was old-ish. And maybe not that good – certainly wasn’t great in San Diego. I still would have liked to see him back.

Then again, I still miss Calvin Medlock. So…what IS my problem, anyway?

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Nov 20, 2008 8:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe if you didn't spend so much time sucking up to Alex Trebek

and actually got out to watch a baseball game now and then, you’d be able to smell talent like a real scout.

My problem is the wind chaps my skin, so I don’t outside.

I too was certain the Reds made a huge mistake on Guevara and Medlock. But much like Big Brother, I will now go through and delete all of the comments on the site where I said such.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Could you tidy up that thread

were I strongly defended the Dave WIlliams acquisition?

by Red Menace on Nov 20, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Cy

Remember this comment and the ensuing conversation?

Well, I did it tonight. Finished it in less than ten minutes with a side of Doritos. I smashed the sandwiches down so I could get the damned thing in my mouth.

ONE

TWO

I passed on putting bacon in the grilled cheese, since that would just be gluttonous. :)

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 8:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

mmm, that looks good

And since it’s Thursday night…

“I smashed the sandwiches down so I could get the damned thing in my mouth.”

That’s what she said, that’s what she said, that’s what she said!!!!

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not gonna lie

It was fucking awesome. It won’t be my last.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

btw

I saw this today and it reminded me of you for some reason:

song chart memes

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

I was gonna make that my avatar but it was too big. Dangit.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you computer nerds and your charts and graphs

its called “telling” a joke for a reason. nerds.

p.s. dont ban me.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 20, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HEY HEY HEY

I’m a geek, thankyouverymuch. Huge difference.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my apologies

i should never have assumed. forgive me?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 20, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way, dork

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame all of the dweebs died off at the end of the 1990's

Well, except for ’tHan, of course.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Nov 20, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I give up

It says something about that term that I can’t easily find a photo of someone biting the head off a chicken by including “geek” in my search.

by Red Menace on Nov 20, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Nov 20, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tonight's Office summary!

Jim’s a jerk. He’s a thoughtless, smug fool. And he’s really stupid and has a possible Oedipal complex. Pam might even break up with him because he’s such a loser.

But surprise! Pam sucks too. She’s also really stupid and lame. and they’re in love (wipe away a tear). And Crede rocks my shit.

I miss Dawn.

by Red Menace on Nov 21, 2008 2:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Y'know what might make Jim cooler?

If he was a master of karate, and friendship to everyone.

In other news, I’ve heard that my own favorite Rashida Jones has been added to the cast of a new show with Amy Poehler. I thought I read somewhere that Michael Schur (FJM’s Ken Tremendous) was also involved with producing a new show with Amy. Could it be the Office spin-off? I’d be excited for that.

by Brendanukkah on Nov 21, 2008 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You gotta pay the Troll toll

"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 21, 2008 8:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Schur

This article’s a little old but it talks about Schur’s deal with Universal for a new show, which may or may not be an Office spinoff. Only Poehler and the racist South Asian fruit vendor from a FOTC episode are mentioned as cast members. If Rashida Jones has been cast, I’ll definitely tune in.

by ken on Nov 21, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the racist South Asian fruit vendor

KIWI GO HOME.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Nov 21, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no way man

their perfect love is something we should all aspire to. at the end of that episode i kissed my wife and pledged to be a better man. we are so lucky to have them.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

At the end of the episode I told the hooker that I couldn’t see her anymore and that I wouldn’t be paying her. Her pimp beat the shit of me, but it was worth it. Love will make you do some crazy stuff, man.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 21, 2008 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell Yes and Salud!

I’m gonna have a lunch of tomatoes and cottage cheese just looking at that, but damn am I proud. I’ll get one going over winter break here and let you know how it works out.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Nov 21, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The best part of Chinese Democracy?

Free Dr. Pepper.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ahem, back to the Rule 5 Draft.

Because I can’t doze off and it’s 2 a.m. or so, I’ll post this bit of goofiness. I took a look at high school players drafted in 2004 who are eligible for the Rule 5 Draft. I’ll try to work on the college guys from 2005 and the international signings later. From 2004, there’s not much there, although two guys stand out to me.

— James Skelton-C-Detroit. I’d love to see Cincinnati take him simply so we can have Red Skelton. Anyway, he spent most of 2008 in High-A ball and posted a 3-23-.307 .468 .406 line. He also was 14-19 in SB. In AA, Skelton went 2-11-.294 .425 .388 and was 1-2 in SB. Skelton is strong defensively, runs well and has a strong arm.

— Todd Blackford-RHRP-Chicago Cubs. A 14th-round pick of Atlanta, he was traded in 2005 with Angelo Burrows to the Cubs for Todd Hollandsworth. Last season in High-A ball he went 7-1 2.40, 1.31. He gave up 40 hits in 45 IP, struck out 31 and walked 19. Not great, but like I said, there’s not much out there.

Other guys maybe worth a look, all out of High-A ball, include Ryan Royster-RF-Tampa Bay, Chad Boyd-LF-Oakland, Matt Walker-RHSP-Tampa Bay and Bobby Cassevah-RHRP-Anaheim.

Could the Reds lose any HS players drafted in 2004? Maybe Terrell Young-RHRP-Sarasota.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Nov 21, 2008 2:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pete Mackanin

The Phillies made him their bench coach.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 21, 2008 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mackanack was my favorite interim manager...

> Dusty, Narron, Boone, Knight…

My God we’ve had some bad managers for quite a while now !

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Nov 21, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whoops... didn't see this... made a post about it...

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Nov 22, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible managers:

Boone
Miley
Narron
Mackanin
Baker

Every team has a few bad managers but FIVE in a row is a real tribute to the staunch Cincinnati approach to pro sports – Don’t pay a lot of money for someone and in their prime. Always have a cheap ass manager and reduce his core of assistants to the point where they are ineffective. AND pay a lot of money for free agents that have VP.
That’s the cincinnati Way – The Right Way

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Nov 23, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Miley terrible?

Was he really? Everyone thinks he’s a terrific manager now, in AAA. He won Manager of the Year a couple of years ago, and many thought he should have won it last year, too.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 23, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was a terrible manager of players with the Reds

He may be the kind of guy that is really good at teaching, but not very good at handling egos.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 23, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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