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Friday Open Thread: Where's your head on the Reds?

I may have scraped the bottom of the barrel for Reds new right now.  Today is the day that free agents can start talking with other teams.  As you know, that probably means the end of David Weathers's tenure with the Reds.  Assuming Javier Valentin and Matt Belisle aren't back, that means the only players left from the 2005 squad are Ryan Freel, EdE, and Aaron Harang.  Doesn't that seem like a lot of turnover in just 3 years?  Granted that team was bad, but for a team that doesn't play much on the free agent market, they sure have gone through a lot of players.

The latest word from Walt Jocketty (via Fay) is that "the Reds will look to trades first and free agency second."  Jocketty added:

“I don’t think that’s going to happen right away,” Jocketty said. “It could. You never know until you start talking to people but I don’t expect it.”

So, we may be twiddling our thumbs here for a bit.

Then again, maybe something might happen quickly with Bronson Arroyo.  In case you haven't heard, Jayson Stark mentioned:

We're hearing the Reds are quietly investigating whether there's a market for Bronson Arroyo. One team believed to be mulling Arroyo: Texas.

I wonder if an Arroyo trade would get Saltalamacchia or Teagarden in return.  Of all of the Reds starting pitchers, Arroyo is the one that I'd be most open to trading.  Then again, I'd be perfectly happy with him as the #4 starter next year too.

I think we'll start to see a few more rumors flying around leading up to the Winter Meetings, but I doubt we'll see much major activity.  Where's your head on this?  Are you optimstic that the Reds are going to make the right moves?  Do you think we'll see something soon or do you expect that Walt will wait to strike?

Use this thread to discuss that or anything else going on around the game.  Dump any rumors of interest in here as well.

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Bronson

I’m in agreement about Bronson. I’d be perfectly happy with him on the team again next season. He eats up innings and keeps the club in games without being spectacular, though he can be that from time to time. The nice thing is that in this market, that kind of pitcher with his level of experience can bring quite a haul.

Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!

by ben nevis on Nov 14, 2008 10:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep Bronson

Bottom line, he makes this team more watchable. He’s the best interview on the team by far.

The answer might be to take offers for Bronson AND Harang midseason. If teams are willing to overpay for quality starting pitching it would make sense to go with a youth movement. Grab some a handful of good prospects and shore up the pipeline.

This position would be greatly supported if Homer emerges.

by obc2 on Nov 14, 2008 9:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah i do like it when bronson talks about adam dunn's contractual situation.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 9:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nobody will ever take Paul Wilson's place in my heart

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 9:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry to keep inundating the site with soccer stuff

But this was kind of fun. Someone in England decided to imagine where the teams in the English Premier League would be relocated if they were all moved to America. Sort of surprisingly, Ohio got three teams. Not so surprisingly, they are all pretty crap.

So residents of Cleveland, Columbus, and Toledo, say hello to your new EPL teams: Middlesbrough, Stoke, and West Brom!

by Brendanukkah on Nov 14, 2008 10:45 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I watched that game (match?) last night.

I won’t lie, I actually enjoyed it. It reminded me, slightly, of a world cup atmosphere. Unfortunately, I was too lazy to try to get a ticket to see it in person though.

"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 14, 2008 10:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stoke?

Boooo. I know it’s pretty much because of the city than the quality of the team, but still. And NYC gets 5 teams? Boston two? One in New Hampshire?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Nov 14, 2008 11:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What? No Proctorville!

What a travesty! I’m thankful, mind you, but still a travesty.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Nov 14, 2008 12:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soccer updates are great, Brendan

I coached women’s select soccer for 13 years- Here’s my last team’s roster photo.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Nov 15, 2008 7:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by coached

do you mean the dirty old man who was at every game, shouting inappropriate things and smelling of whiskey?

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2008 2:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard to believe Justin, I actually just coached...sometimes blindfolded but never under the influence

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Nov 15, 2008 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i swear to fucking god if i read from one more fan or writer

that the Reds should find a left handed starting pitcher I will fucking find them and hurt them. I have read for many different sources that Mulder would be a good pickup because it would give Cincinnati a left handed option. I guess Eric Milton would be a good pickup too based on that logic.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think that they should pick up Mulder

but I think they will, just for the reasons you mentioned. Jocketty ties, no lefty in the rotation, it’s easy to imagine the Reds making this move.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Nov 14, 2008 11:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i mean if they could get Mulder with a minor league deal and a spring training invitation

and incentives laden deal if he pitches in the Majors that wouldn’t hurt anything. But if he gives Mulder a $2 Million major league contract that would be pretty wasteful. I am guessing Mulder at best will be a shell of what he once was, and probably will spend a alot of time rehabbing, pitch in the minors, get hit hard, back off from rehabbing, start the process over again, to have the same results (like Paul Wilson in 2006). I just can’t imagine the catcher needing a glove to catch his fastball, with all the work that has been done on his shoulder.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 11:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Teagarden

He’s the only Texas catcher that I like. He plays good defense and has some pop. Laird isn’t an improvement over Hanigan. Salta-whatever isn’t really a catcher…the same goes for Max Ramirez.

by Snake the Jake on Nov 14, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Until proven wrong

I’m sticking with what I said in the previous Jockety thread: They’ll sign Burrell (because they need a “RH LF”, and they’ll go after Beltre (because not a single person in the organization believes in EdE, or ever has).

It’s also interesting that Stark would mention trading Arroyo when he also lists “veteran starting pitcher” as something the Reds “need”.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Nov 14, 2008 12:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just me

or is this one of the more awkward headlines they could have written? I had to read it like 5 times before I had a clue what they were trying to say.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 14, 2008 12:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Make your links pop, dangit!

A supreme ruler should know better.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 14, 2008 12:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tabmixplus sucka

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 14, 2008 1:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I remember him.

Backup shortstop with San Diego in ’74. All glove, not bat.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Nov 14, 2008 1:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i remember thinking what the fuck when i saw that this morning

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 1:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would it be prudent to sign Derek Lowe

and trade Arroyo to the Rangers for a catcher not named Laird? of course, it would depend upon who we got in return for him, but is this an idea that could gain some traction?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 14, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i want the reds to sign derek lowe

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 14, 2008 1:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my parents just had their kitchen remolded by Lowes

and it was a terrible experience. It was supposed to take a week, it took 3 weeks, and Lowes miss-measured things, and want to charge my parents for re-adjustments. Don’t use Lowes to remodel.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 1:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miss Measure sounds like a dastardly math teach

at Wayside school.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Nov 14, 2008 1:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what about mold?

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 1:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jr continues to be awesomely great

he has been named a Public Diplomacy Envoy by our favorite black female archetype Condi Rice (via BTF). this is pretty cool. i imagine his job will mainly be traveling around the 3rd world hitting towering home runs for the awe-struck locals, much like when Mark McGwire was on the Simpsons. “DINGERS!!”

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 14, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he brings along a tee

or a batting practice pitcher, he would be ok. i cant imagine there are too many major-league ready pitchers in Lesotho to blow him a away with a decent fastball.

“do you folks want me to help you dig a well for clean drinking water, or do you want to watch me hit a few dingers?”
“DINGERS!!”

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 14, 2008 1:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did I understand that right?

Earlier in the year, “The Nanny”‘s Fran Drescher was selected as one of these envoys to go around the world and improve the image of the U.S.???? Boy, I can’t wait until this Bush administration is gone.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Nov 14, 2008 4:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

She was also in Spinal Tap.

So I mean, maybe you could do worse?

It isn’t like the TV celebrities of other nations are any less annoying than ours.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Nov 14, 2008 6:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bobbi Flekman!

That’s right, it’s 1982! Get out of the ‘60s. We don’t have this mentality anymore.

by Red Menace on Nov 15, 2008 3:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like to see Kerry Wood in Cincinnati

but he is brittle and too much of a risk for a mid-market team, since he will be demanding a multi-year multi-million dollar contract. But I would love to see him and Coco split the closers role, imagine Burton-Wood/Coco for 7-8-9, and Bray is around too.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 1:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i went John Kerry on your ass

I said I wanted him, but went on to explain why I don’t want him, and why he would be a bad idea.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 2:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MLB Trade Rumors

says the Cards have made an offer to Felipe Lopez.

And the Yankees have made an offer to Sabathia. Apparently, Swisher is one of Sabathia’s best friends, which is a big reason the Yanks signed him.

A lot of Yankees bloggers expect the Yanks to sign Dunn or Teixeira along with Swisher, but Yankees beat writer Pete Abe says that’s nuts, and I agree. They’ve got Swisher. They might go after a center fielder, but they don’t need another first baseman/corner outfielder type. They’re going after starting pitching.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 14, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if Dunn goes to New York

he’ll miss Marty, tHom’s and Brantley treatment.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 9:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

am i the only one who kinda hopes CC completely blows out his arm next year, like tears his capsule, rotator cuff, and labrum? He comes back from that in 2011, and in his first start back, he tears up his elbow and needs Tommy John. He actually comes back from those injuries in 2013 but tops out at about 85 MPH, and the Yankee’s don’t know what to do with him as his contract is through 2015.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 9:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not me

From everything I’ve seen, Sabathia is one of the best guys in the game. Genuinely nice, humble, and very appreciative of where he is in the grand scheme. MLB needs more guys like him, I hope MLB markets the hell out of him when he gets to NY.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 14, 2008 9:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would feel bad for Sabathia

but at the same time this contract will leave him more than set for life. Plus an injury just creates an opportunity for another pitcher.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2008 9:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure

The NY mentality is the bigger the better, and Dunn fits that mold. Reggie Jackson anyone?

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 14, 2008 9:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peter Abraham

posted some photos of the new Yankee Stadium today. The one of the broadcast booth had this caption:

Just think, five months from now Joe Morgan will be sitting here explaining how wins and losses determine the worth of a pitcher.

And holy crap, the Yankees have offered Sabathia a six-year deal worth $140 million. He’s said he wants to go to the west coast and stay in the NL, but money talks.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 14, 2008 9:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can the Dodgers match AND sign Manny?

If they do they’re golden.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Nov 14, 2008 9:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and bullshit walks

/Bobbi Flekman

Man, I’m tying this thread together!

by Red Menace on Nov 15, 2008 3:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You beat me to it!

You know, we can probably work something out. I’ll talk to Denis and maybe we can come up with a compromise. A new design concept that we can all live with.

This place is like a sexy preschool.

by Gray on Nov 15, 2008 10:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I posted this as a FanWham! (tm)

but decided it probably wasn’t worth the space.

I saw this interview with Joey Votto linked over at RedsZone and found it a fairly good read

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/story/2008/11/12/f-votto-baseball.html

What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.

by Man Mountain on Nov 14, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is anyone else concerned

 that Stubbs is only hitting .178 in the Arizona Fall League?

and he has 9 walks and 25 Ks in just 73 ABs (OBP=.286; OPS=.560)!

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Nov 14, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah

It’s 73 ABs. I could pull up any number of players with numbers like that in that many ABs.

Of course, it doesn’t help his case for next Spring, but developmentally, I’m not worried.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 14, 2008 11:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have heard ZERO AFL coverage on RR this year. WTF?

Do I have to go out and look this shit up myself?

My bro in law says Alonso is tearing it up. Is that true?

by Brian B on Nov 14, 2008 11:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So many guys in the AFL perform poorly

Because they’re tired from a long season. Not unusual at all. Also, invariably, someone stars in the AFL and some team overpays for him in a trade because of that and then is disappointed.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Nov 16, 2008 7:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and

does anyone else know if Juan Duran is playing any fall/winter ball anywhere?

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Nov 14, 2008 11:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope he's doing his homework.

That’s was I was doing when I was 17.

by Brian B on Nov 14, 2008 11:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duran's Dominican

Yorman Rodriguez is Venezuelan, I believe.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 16, 2008 7:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bronson

I’m excited about trades that would garner the Reds ML-ready or ML-experienced players, relatively young, who would be under their control for several seasons. As much as I’d hate to give up Arroyo, who has done much to stabilize the starting pitching, he’s also the one guy of value I’d be most amenable to trading. Especially if he gets the Reds a young, promising catcher in return…those guys aren’t easy to come by.

by jamesp50014 on Nov 15, 2008 5:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't we have a young promising catcher?

and is Mesoraco playing antwhere now????y

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Nov 15, 2008 10:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mesoraco is not playing anywhere this Winter

Here are the stats for Reds Winter League players.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 16, 2008 7:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do they figure he is a catcher

so he should get some time off?

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2008 10:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agrred, but,

you know, Dane Sardinha was once a prospect in the organization. So the jury is out on Mesoraco, who was in A-ball last year, yes? A chance to acquire Simontacchi would be tempting indeed.

by jamesp50014 on Nov 16, 2008 7:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

er,

Saltalamacchia, that is

by jamesp50014 on Nov 16, 2008 7:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SIMONTACCHI!!!!!!!!!!

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 17, 2008 8:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Going to the way back machine for that one, eh?

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Nov 17, 2008 8:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

brendan is his own wiki

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Nov 17, 2008 12:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sardinha for Simontacchi would be pretty fair at this point.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Nov 16, 2008 10:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Arroyo No Longer With Reds?

I have not heard any trade news. But you all might have interest in this. I sent a card to Arroyo for an autograph five days ago. Today, it was returned to me with a sticker on the envelope that said “Player is no longer with the Reds.” Hmmmm….

by fwbaseball on Nov 20, 2008 10:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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