What will Walt Jocketty do?
Sorry for disappearing (at least from the front page) last week. That'll happen sometimes. We'll try to give you new stuff every day this week. Hopefully the Reds will justify that level of interest.
We've spent a lot of time this off-season throwing out ideas for various trade targets for the Reds. But, the only real rumor involving the Reds on the trade market has already been shot down.
There have also been thoughts from others about who the Reds should pursue on the free agent market. But, outside of discussions with free agents that were with the Reds last year, there has been very little chatter from the Reds about any possible pursuits.
Strangely, that doesn't seem to bother the local media too much. Paul Daugherty thinks the Reds should just say no (way to keep it fresh P-Doc). Fay agrees. Honestly, I think that's a silly idea. Not that I think the Reds will be good in 2009, but not doing anything not only means that you're playing for 2010, but you're expecting to be able to fill all of your needs next off-season as well. The Reds can do well to start laying the groundwork for 2010. Doing nothing could leave them playing for 2011 at the end of next season.
We've seen or heard very little from Walt Jocketty since he's taken over. He made two big trades this season with mediocre returns (not that he could have necessarily gotten more). We've heard that he doesn't plan to trade Cueto or Volquez (so he's got a brain), and he's pursuing Weathers and Hairston (well, half a brain). Knowing what we know about his history, we shouldn't expect him to sit around for too long, especially not with Bob Castellini breathing down his neck.
So, what do you think Jocketty will do? Will he play for 2009? Will he get that big right-handed bat that he said was the Reds biggest need? Will he take Daugherty's advice and do nothing? What do you think?
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Trade idea
Knowing the Brewers are floating JJ Hardy because of the emergence of another top flight SS, I would definitely seek out the parameters of a trade for him. Hardy would fill two needs at once—solidify the defense on the left side of the infield and give you a right handed bat with some pop. You could move Kepp to third and EdE to left. The Brewers need SP in the wurst way, so to that end I would offer up Arroyo and possibly one of the solid relievers from the minors as a sweetener. The salaries are comparable. What says you?
by Sultan of Swaff on Nov 10, 2008 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Two things
1. I’m not sure the Brewers will be in a rush to trade Hardy since Escobar has 9 ABs above Double-A. Granted they were in the big leagues, but it’s risky for a contender to trade away a young, solid position player when the replacement player may still need another year of seasoning in the minors. I think they’ll have to be wowed by any deal before they make it.
2. I wouldn’t say the salaries are comparable as Arroyo is guaranteed $22.5 million over the next 2 seasons (plus a buyout). Hardy will be in his second arb year and made under $3 million last year.
That being said, I’d at least consider trading Arroyo for Hardy with the Reds potentially throwing in another player or a bunch of cash. I doubt the deal would happen though.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would do Hardy for Bronson + somebody in the blink of an eye
I think Hardy is one of the best shortstops in the NL. He fills a huge need for us. I love Bronson, but we at least have some bodies that can fill his spot in the rotation. One of Bronson’s biggest assets (in my eyes) is my willingness to trade him. I think the Brewers would be foolish to make that trade, but I would love it if happened.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two big moves
I think he’ll sign Burrell for too much money and/or too many years, and trade for Beltre. I think the team will look like this:
1. Hannigan
2. another C, no one exciting.
3. Votto
4. BP
5. AGon
6. Beltre
7. Keppinger
8. Hairston (2 year contract)
9. Burrell
10. Dickerson
11. Bruce
12. Freel
13. EdE on the bench, where he’ll rot
14. Harang
15. Arroyo
16. Volquez
17. Cueto
18. One of Bailey/Ramirez/Thompson
19. Cordero
20. Bray
21. Burton
22. Massett
23. Owings
24. either Lincoln or Weathers
25. either Herrera or Roenicke
Beltre for one of the losers for the #5 spot, one of the good prospects (Dorn? Stewart?), and one of the not as good prospects (Viola?).
This would not, in my opinion, be a team that wins alot of games; maybe 81.
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by sidnancy on Nov 10, 2008 9:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of pursuing Beltre
Most of the projections of the Reds making a run at the division in 2009 were based on the other teams not significantly improving. But if the Cubs get Peavy and the Cards get Holliday, I call those significant improvements, and we need to keep pace. If we would get Beltre, then EdE in LF is a noble experiment, but there’s still no guarantee that he could cut it there.
I’ve been feeling for awhile that the Reds will go after Burrell, but I’d really like them to kick the tires on what it would take to get Dunn back. I doubt it would happen, and maybe for the sake of Dunn it shouldn’t happen, but if Burrell’s your guy, he’s too similar to Dunn to not at least put out a feeler to what it would take to get the younger version of him.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me be clear
I don’t necessarily endorse either Beltre or Burrell. The question was “What do you think will happen?” I think they try to get Beltre and Burrell, allowing EdE to languish on the bench, effectively ending his career.
Second, we finished 23 1/2 games out of 1st; hell, we finished 12 games out of 4th. Even if we did bring those two guys in, and no one else made a move, we’re a long way from the playoffs.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joel Sherman thinks that backup catcher could be Brian Schneider
There are some Met officials who believe they need a better game-caller than Brian Schneider to shepherd their pitching staff. The Mets did find some interest (Cincinnati, for example) if they need to move Schneider.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not that I wouldn't be ok with that
but I think the resources could go to better places (Beltre, Hardy (if Brendan is a reliable source), putting a Graeters in GABP)
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not the source on Hardy
I don’t think Hardy will be moved at all. But he’s a player that I would love to get.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious what it might take to get Schneider.
He had an average year last year offensively (9/38/.257/.339/.367) and I believe he was hurt for a bit, even though he played 110 games. The Mets aren’t going to get someone like Cordero (the article is mostly about the Mets shopping for big time bullpen help). I can’t think Schneider, at 31, would garner more than a couple of prospects. Maybe we can resign Weathers and trade straight up.
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by ben nevis on Nov 10, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think any blockbusters will go down like we're hoping they do.
I think this being Jocko’s first offseason with the team, I don’t think he’s going to shake things up too much. He seems set on bringing Gonzalez in to give him a shot at the starting job, and if anything happens in the infield, I think it’ll be a Cesar Izturis type.
If I had to pick one rumor that I think will happen, I’d say we sign Mark Mulder. He’s got the history with Jocketty, he won’t break the bank coming off of the injury, and I don’t think there’s going to be much interest elsewhere. Now, if that were to make a starter available (Bronson?), then I think a deal could go down there too, but I don’t think it’ll be as big as a deal for Holliday.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 10, 2008 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, Jocketty was with the team for a large part of last offseason
Not as a GM, but he was here. I would certainly think that he’d be looking to put his stamp on the team. We’re just not really sure what that stamp is.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it's not the same as the stamp that Bronson puts on the team

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 10, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come my lady, come come my lady. You’re my butterfly. Sugar. Baby.
…I think that guy is the chef for TGIFriday’s now.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to that sassy fat guy who tells you how to get laid
by eating fridays steakburgers?
Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy
by The Crushinator on Nov 10, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if you buy your burgers at Fridays, you'll have enough left over
to be the creepy guy buying dessert for a table of random girls. Also, if you have to eat at Friday’s to save enough money for dessert, that means you only have around 15 dollars to your name. I can’t think of a better way to spend it than on an 8 dollar burger and dessert for random people.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 10, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing makes a lady more comely
than filling her up with sugar glazed grade C meat followed by a generous helping of chocolate flavored trans fat… mmmm trans fat.
Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy
by The Crushinator on Nov 10, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
That sounds just like a video I watched on the internet heard about from a friend…..
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh.. oh .ooooooook
Now that i look at that post again… Thats exactly what i meant to say
Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy
by The Crushinator on Nov 12, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The ultimate free-agent tracker
Jeff Passan at Yahoo!Sports has ranked the entire free agent class of 2008-2009. Overall and by position.
Near the bottom are former Reds Chad Moeller and Juan Castro.
180) Juan Castro, UT: How is he not nicknamed the Twinkie? Castro has inexplicably survived for 14 major-league seasons despite a .579 career OPS.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I haven't looked at the list
but let me be the first to say that Passan doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Having anybody ranked behind Castro is a sham.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are the guys ranked below Castro
181) Elmer Dessens, RP: He finished fifth-worst in last season’s rankings. Moving down in the world.
182) Chad Fox, RP: Fox has pitched a grand total of 22 innings in the majors since 2004.
183) Vance Wilson, C: Mr. Irrelevant is a guy who hasn’t played in the major leagues since 2006. Seriously, it is impressive to appear on MLB’s official free-agent list despite missing two full seasons. Wilson probably will retire because of elbow problems, so congratulations are due on this final accomplishment. What a way to go out.
(Moeller is ranked just above him.)
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Elmer Dessens was the opening day starter?
Those were the days. And by “the days”, I mean fucking awful.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 10, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he was really good once.
well, in 2002. But ‘00-’02 he was actually a legitimate-ish pitcher. The bridge from Steve Parris to Paul Wilson!
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about Pete Harnish
and don’t put down Paul Wilson. He was amazing 2004. By amazing i mean league average, but still.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn was the second most valuable outfielder, after Manny Ramirez
And somewhere in the top 10 overall. #7, maybe?
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I detect an alarming lack of hustle at the top of those rankings
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of like looking at the pop charts these days
Back in the 70’s, all you saw at the top of the charts was hustle. And apparently my point is that the Jonas Brothers killed baseball.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Flipping around yesterday
I stumbled across the Kristi Yamaguchi/Jonas Brothers Sucktitude Spectacular on NBC. I audibly groaned, “aw, what the fuck is this” to no one in particular. I’d rather watch the Ironman competitions or even test tones before that crap.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who the fuck watches that?
Was any Jonas Brothers fan cognizant of who Kristi Yamaguchi is?
And what do the Jonas Brothers and Kristi have in common?
NO GOLD MEDALS
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Kristi Yamaguchi did win a gold medal, in 1992 in Albertville.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you just got 'nukkahed!
I think he’s thinking of Michelle Kwan.
So, um, that’s racist!
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cue the preaching and the pamphlet material
by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I’ve gotta hustle over to the faculty lounge at the Community College. The cultural anthropology, philosophy and economics profs get together to talk Reds baseball every Monday. Seems they need a break sometimes too, and they have convened in an appropriate forum.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind if you both stopped.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm finished now.
Sorry all. But the self-righteous tend to bring out the worst in me. I will stop.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But not without a parting shot.
;)
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be done.
Bringing “domestic terrorists” into the conversation probably wasn’t helpful.
I really didn’t mean to make this personal, Pops, and I will apologize again that it ended up that way.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 10, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great
Now I’m thinking of Michelle Kwan.

by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, not racist
but definitely racialized
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That joke was a tried and true zinger!!!
Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy
by The Crushinator on Nov 10, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and racist
to be fair, I was 5 in ‘92. I doubt the Jonas brothers were around. And I was off to class and didn’t have time to fact check. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m just saying that I have excuses.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was 5 during the 92 olympics, and I knew that.
So I guess the question is whether the standard for negligent joking is actual knowledge or constructive knowledge. Would a reasonable kindergart—. I’m stopping now. This is madness. Someone save me from law school.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, come to drinking school!
Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy
by The Crushinator on Nov 12, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Jocketty will make any big-time deals before the season
Rather he’ll first fill holes were he gets the greatest return on his investment (like left side defense) to build the foundation for next offseason and then 2010. If he gets a chance to pick up a headline player for a reduced price at next year’s deadline, he might, but only if the terms are right.
This is based on the fact that WJ appears to have historically been very successful at (1) finding bargains in the reject bin (Matheny, Kline, Woody Williams, Mabry, Womack, Eckstein, etc.) and turning them into valuable/servicable role players and (2) acquiring big time players that not only played at a high level but came with a reasonable price tag.
Jocketty, unlike many knee-jerk GMs, always (or nearly always) works from a position of leverage. He’s careful not to reach and often finds situations he can take advantage of. Whether it is guys that were unhappy (Rolen), were injured or had attitude issues (Edmonds) or about to become free agents (Mark McGwire, Larry Walker, Will Clark).
There are two big hurdles, as I see them, that could prevent similar success in Cincy. The most obvious is that his manager is a dolt. LaRussa was very good at understanding what he needed and Jocketty was very good at getting it.
The second is that Cincinnati, while a great baseball town, isn’t in St. Louis’ league. I know this sounds stupid, but a lot of players seem to play better when they’re playing for the Cardinals. Having a good manager/staff certainly has something to do with that, but who wouldn’t want to play, or play a little harder, in a city that has a great baseball history, fills the stands even when the team stinks and has a shot at the postseason almost every year.
Cincinnati may have a great history, but all else equal, if I was a free agent with an opportunity to choose, I know where I’d go.
by bengalred on Nov 10, 2008 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
This is based on the fact that WJ appears to have historically been very successful at (1) finding bargains in the reject bin (Matheny, Kline, Woody Williams, Mabry, Womack, Eckstein, etc.) and turning them into valuable/servicable role players and (2) acquiring big time players that not only played at a high level but came with a reasonable price tag.
Jim Bowden. Great.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so.
Jocketty hasn’t worn anything leather in years
by bengalred on Nov 10, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does his skin count?
It has to have a pretty high leather quotient at this point.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tony Womack...
Is a positive?
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Nov 10, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
It seems that Walt and Dusty seem pretty content with what we got now in the infield. Moving our now golden boy Phillips to short seems out, and the general sentiment is that between Agon, Kepp, and Hairston (if he returns) we have that spot covered.
What is left is the 3b/lf question. I have a feeling EdE will be our starting 3b in April and if we can’t get a bargain on a solid right handed left fielder we may end up with Hairston out there with Quickerson in center. That seems like a pretty mediocre lineup, but I think it is a possibility with Jocketty playing it really conservative so we can wait for Alonso and move Votto to left in 2010. They wait and see how this bunch of guys does in ’09 and see if we need to bring in another pitcher or hitter to make the run in ’10.
Dickerson CF
Hairston LF
Bruce RF
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Phillips 2b
Agon SS
Hannigan C
I would like to see Beltre here and EdE in left this year, but I don’t think it will happen.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 10, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose Jocketty could make a Beltre-like move during the offseason
But my guess is if it happens at all, it will be later in the offseason as ST approaches and unsigned players begin to panic
by bengalred on Nov 10, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's how we ended up with Corey Patterson
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate to do it
But the man has a point, bengalred. That’s a rec’n.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
We ended up with Corey Patterson because Krivsky was powerless to stop Douche-bag Dusty from filling Castellini’s head with crazy ideas.
I don’t think Jocketty will let that happen.
by bengalred on Nov 10, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do still wonder what Kenny Lofton is up to
He was the other name that was floating around at the same time as Patterson. Rumor was that he wouldn’t accept a minor league contract. I have no idea what his other contract demands might be, but if they’re going to sign someone during spring training, we’ve seen how it could be worse.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How does this make sense?
Justin Duchscherer led that team with 10 wins last year and was one of only four guys to reach 100 IP, one of whom is gone (Joe Blanton). Is a hitter really what they need?
I’m not doubting Beane or the Oakland organization, they always seem to pull good young pitching straight out of their ass. It just shocks me that they would be going after Holliday with what he earns and all. Just doesn’t seem like their style.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EDIT: Their offense ain't all that great either
Love the headline over at Athletics Nation though.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they're just trying to add to their "Shaved Head White Guys" collection
Bobby Crosby
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by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 10, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Athletics Nation
Is reporting it’s Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith, and Houston Street. Too much for a year and a half of Holliday?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly - but maybe not too much for a year and a half of Holliday and
whatever they get for Holliday later.
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by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can never have too much Holliday
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently you can
/bitter about not getting Veteran’s Day off
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's always better on Holliday
This place is like a sexy preschool.
by Gray on Nov 10, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
does anyone get off for this day? it’s outdated. the war to end all wars did not end all wars – it didn’t even end itself as we saw a decade later.
by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
um
sorry. that looks really obtuse of me. i meant to include context on how much i love days off, no matter what reason. so shut up, because i love holidays that celebrate the end of wars that ended 100 years ago.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i got it
i was snarking. i’m a four-day week advocate with 12 federal holidays off and four weeks of paid vacation.
by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and all religious holidays off, too
even festivus
by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2008 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
English "bank holiday"
its basically a day off to celebrate getting a day off. God save the Queen.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First order of business is seperating Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays
I’m playing defense on the Columbus Day front.
by Red Menace on Nov 10, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in all seriousness
August 4th will be a national holiday before too long. give it 20 years or so.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my mom's, eric miltons, and roger clemans birthday?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
I predict that Obama will be more hated than Bush. Is Herbert Hoover’s birthday a national holiday?
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
regardless of whether or not the man is good at his job
he is the first Black man to do it. i think that counts enough.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
And it has nothing to do with how good he is at his job. Anybody who was president during the next four years would be looking at being the new Hoover.
As they said this morning on CNBC: it’s the first inning of the end of the world.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They never did catch that anthrax guy...
by Red Menace on Nov 10, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think they did
Fascinating case. He killed himself because they caught him, IMO.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
it was a government cover up if there ever was one
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
It sure didn’t make the government look good. They ruined the life of another, innocent scientist, and didn’t start looking at the right guy until years after they should have.
I think the DNA evidence was pretty solid. This might be a case that would never have been solved without the (relatively) new DNA technology.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The DNA evidence confirmed that the cells came from the government lab.
So they knew it was someone from there it just took them ahile to figure out who.
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 10, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm going to go all historian on your ass
your annology is a failed annology. I’m not a sociologist or political scienctist so I can’t give you any expert reasoning as to how the public will percieve Obama if the economy doens’t imporve over the next four years. But Hoover annology is bad, because if anything Hoover is more comparable to Bush. The shit hit the fan under Bush, and America will hold Bush responsible for that (which may or may not be completly fair). Obama is more in the position of FDR. The country stuck with FDR and relelected him 3 times, despite the depression, because the country felt that FDR was the man to lead them out of the depression, and his charisma was a comfort. In that way Obama is comparable to FDR. Obama has that charisma that makes America thinks he cares and think he is working everyday for us. He has that ability to make us feel good about ourselves, and see a bright future. Will his substance mach his rhetoric, I don’t know. But the Hoover anology is completly irronious.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not historian enough :-)
FDR took office during the depths of the Depression. When it was at its very worst. So the economy improved after he took office.
That won’t happen with Obama. We’re still nearer to the top than to the bottom, with a lot farther to fall.
“Are you better off now than you were four years ago?” With FDR, the answer would be yes. With Obama, it will be no, no, a thousand times no.
It won’t be his fault, but that won’t matter.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Au contraire
When FDR took office the depression got much worse under his watch. Not only did he worsen the depression he very well may have lengthened it also. The darkest days of the depression were in 1936 a full 4 years after FDR took office. Priming the pump only worsened the situation rather than helping out. We did not come out of the depression until the massive build up of arms due to the on set of WWII.
So were we better on in 1932 vs. 1936 the answer is a resounding NO. However, Obama has great charisma and will probably implement similar policies as FDR and will get the same pass because of his charisma.
by Redtexfan on Nov 11, 2008 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
Here is GDP during the Great Depression. FDR took charge in 1933 – the bottom of the dip.
Whether FDR actually did anything to help (or hurt) is debatable. Personally, I suspect the problems were too big for one man, even the president, to affect much.
But there is a reasonable argument that what pulled the country out of the Depression was not the New Deal but WWII. Another reason for doom and gloom, IMO. I would not be surprised if there’s a major war because of the financial crisis.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 11, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does war mobilization kick start the economy anymore?
I mean, we’re in wars. It doesn’t seem to be helping.
by Red Menace on Nov 11, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it doesnt
back in the ‘30s, we didnt have a standing army. see, back then, countries only built up arms and armies when they needed them. but since the Cold War began, we’ve kept our forces at continuously high levels because you never knew when the Ruskies might sneak attack Alaska.
so unfortunately our arms manufactures which were so crucial in pulling the country out of the Depression back then are already pretty much fully mobilized and have been since that war. something Eisenhower called the “military industrial complex”. he didnt have kind words for it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 11, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would
We had the advantage last time of selling arms and raw materials to the rest of the world. Until we got involved, we could sell to both sides.
We also had the advantage of not having the war occur on our home turf (aside from Pearl Harbor). Our factories were not bombed. Our mines and farms continued to produce (albeit with women instead of men in some cases). When the war was over, we were the supplier to the rest of the world.
I’m not sure we could do that now, even if we got the opportunity. We’ve used up many of the resources we had back then, and our manufacturing industry is a shadow of its former self. We were Saudi Arabia until 1970, setting the price of oil via quota. (Which is why it’s funny to hear people rant and rave about OPEC being an illegal cartel. Maybe so, but we started it. We gave them the idea.)
But of course, people don’t start wars just to boost the economy. If we get into a war, it will be, as always, to “protect our interests.” Most likely to protect our oil supply lines, and/or to protect the dollar as the world’s international currency. (They are not unrelated.)
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by BubbaFan on Nov 12, 2008 6:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the love BubbaFan?
Gotta give him at least a couple years after he gets in office
Politickin' in God's Country
by chesirecat on Nov 10, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate him
I’d be saying the same no matter who was taking office.
I’m non-partisan. We’re heading into a crapstorm of unprecedented proportions, and it was both parties who created it.
At this point, I don’t think it can be fixed.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But optimism never killed anyone, did it now?
Politickin' in God's Country
by chesirecat on Nov 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it has
Most smokers don’t believe they will actually get lung cancer. Their optimism can end up killing them.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i feel like most of the smokers i know don't like that they are smokers
they know it is bad for them, but they are addicted.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No I love cigarettes....
I don’t know they make’em so good and sell’em so cheap!
I was on a flush draw?!?!?
by REDLEG5 on Nov 12, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please cheer up!
All is not doom and gloom.
Politickin' in God's Country
by chesirecat on Nov 10, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
**looks around nervously**
I hope a lolcat isn’t coming.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shortstop hasn't been around much lately
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All is not gloom and doom
But there’s a lot more of it in our future than most people realize. The talking heads on CNBC, etc., keep saying they’ve never seen anything like this. The financial crisis is just barely touching Main Street now. The faint outer bands of a Cat. 5 Crapstorm. So most people have no inkling – yet – that this is anything more than an ordinary recession.
This doesn’t mean give up and shoot yourself. It does mean that now is probably not a good time to buy a new car, or to start a business, or run up your credit cards to buy a flatscreen TV. You might want to think twice about taking on debt, including “good debt” like a mortgage or student loans. If you have a mortgage, think twice about refinancing, because that converts your loan from a non-recourse to a recourse loan.
And you probably don’t want to spend big bucks on a designer suit to wear to the inaugural ball, because chances are, you won’t be using it again in four years.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 11, 2008 7:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right now i am getting student loans
this economy is a good time to hide away in grad school for the next four to six years.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a trump card
Scholarships and a poor family do wonders for making college cheap. I am in firm agreement with justin, now is a damn good time to hide in school.
Politickin' in God's Country
by chesirecat on Nov 11, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I smoke and am pessimistic of your views.
So there. :)
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all the smokers I know
are pretty healthy
by ol Pete on Nov 11, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 6'3", 185 lbs
Not in the best shape of my life to be sure, but not a sloth either. I don’t smoke a whole lot though.
I have seen the smokers who sit around and smoke 3 packs a day while doing nothing. They’re all over in KY I tells ya.
It blows my mind that someone can smoke ~60 cigarettes in one day, where do you find the time?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I see them.
Every time I leave the building, its the same 6 people. They probably work 4 hours a day and smoke the other 4 hours.
I took up smoking once just so I could have a work break every hour.
"Patterson, Keppinger, Bako.... Cream of the Suck" -Slyde
by snohio on Nov 11, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My smoking habit
One, possibly two on the way to work in the morning.
One, possibly two on the way home from work.
One or two during the day during warm weather, typically none during the day when it’s cold. (I’m a baby)
Where I get in trouble smoking, as I’m sure many RRs can attest, is when I drink. I can go through almost a whole pack in a night, it’s crazy. I pay for it the next morning too.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
same here
when i was in England they still hadnt banned smoking in bars and it was awesome. i couldnt go through a whole pack, but 4-5 cigarettes in a few hours when you never smoke otherwise is enough to make your head spin.
i may have to pick up a pack of camels on the way home now…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 11, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it can be fixed
we are headed for hard times. In ten years we may not be the most powerful country without a rival. But we will still be an important country. This is going to be my generations struggle. But we overcame the great depression, the civil war, device times in our social history such as the civil rights movement. We are still here.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap Storm ?
More like a fecal slushy tsunami with an 80 MPH wind.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 11, 2008 4:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
During the Great Depression
Congress passed a bill mandating a 30 hour work week. It was supposed to be a solution to the high unemployment of the times. FDR killed it, though. He thought it was socialism.
I really like the idea of a shorter work week. Kellogg’s had a six-hour day for years. It started during the Great Depression, and some people were still on it in the ’80s. They actually found people were more productive that way. And the workers loved it. They earned less money, but had more time to spend with their families.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im a manager
i already get a six hour work day whenever the hell i feel like it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
manager of what?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 11, 2008 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome!
you get to order all the hip posters that those university kids enjoy so much?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 11, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah
i get to order all those textbooks they loathe to buy. 100 bucks a pop is so ‘spensive learnin’!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 11, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I worked for two weeks in a campus bookstore
Stocking those textbooks is no damn fun neither.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not really
our volume is only about 200 titles. its why i get to be on RR pretty much all damn day.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 11, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best Buy's hours
At Best Buy’s corporate office in MN, nobody has a set 40 hour work week. Everything is simply based on productivity. Your job description has much more precise definitions of what you need to accomplish in a given week, month, year and you do what you’ve got to do to get it done. Whether that’s in or out of the office or at 9:00 AM or 2:00 AM, it doesn’t matter. Reports are that since they’ve moved to that morale is huge and productivity has gone up about 35% across the board. awesome.
Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!
by ben nevis on Nov 11, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at Meijer
the managers are paid for a 48 hour week, but most of them put in 60. They get 1 day off a week. It seems really terrible.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone get today off?
I thought Veteran’s Day had reverted to Nov. 11, no matter what.
I’m getting tomorrow off.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get tomorrow off
Which was the impetus for my whining. I can park at meters for free though!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn metric system
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 10, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm right there with you
Unless you have a government or banking job, you have to work. And I’m probably wrong about even some of those.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my dad is a parole officer and he is off tomorow.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NOTE TO SELF
if i ever need to break out of prison, i should do it on veteran’s day
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 10, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because parole officers wouldn't be...around...to...uh...administer...piss...tests
okay, you lost me
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i totally blew that one...
i dunno what i was thinking…
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 10, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you weren't thinking
and that’s why you ended up in pretend prison.
It’s a sad situation, really, but I hypothetically see it all too often.
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's your problem - you never do
screw you.
by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2008 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did i do something to upset you?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 10, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The BP Gold Glove thread,
I think. But we really need to shelve the hatreds of the past few days in favor of the true purpose of RR, bitchin’ about the Reds
Politickin' in God's Country
by chesirecat on Nov 10, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't get a parole officer until you are out of prison
Parole officers don’t deal with prisoners, they may send you back but that is all.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here in Los Angeles...
all schools close for Veteran’s Day and all Jewish holidays, regardless of whether any kids they teach are Jewish. That’s because if you take out all the Veterans or Jewish teachers, you have created a teacher vacuum that is larger than the pool of available substitute teachers.
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 10, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but what about real america?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Real America
is not concerned with the affairs of Jews.
Wow – is that too harsh, or just too much truth in one sentence, making it tough to choke down?
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 10, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we just stop this shit already?
I grew up in the middle of nowhere North Louisiana. My best friend was the son of a chicken farmer who lived in a double-wide trailer. The first boy-girl dance we ever went to was to celebrate a classmate’s bat mitzvah and was held at another classmate’s Hindu Community Center because the Jewish temple was undergoing renovations to be dedicated and registered as an historic site. We ate pizza.
All the markers of socio-cultural identity in that paragraph are true, and could probably be trotted out to make some overarching point about Fill In the Portentous Blank. But, you know what?— it doesn’t really fucking matter. Because at the time — and in truth — all it comes down to is a bunch of people living in the same place at the same time. And no generalizing theory of what inspires, upsets, animates, angers, saddens, confuses, pleases or fascinates each of those indivduals, person to person, mind to mind, psyche to psyche, can ever meet the demands of real truth.
Generalize we must, because we live in a highly-organized society that needs to round off the remainders in order to get anything done. But the notion that we are capable of saying anything definitely true, or even essentially useful, about what any vague geographical, economic, religious or racial grouping of individuals qua individuals is or thinks, or that such a statement remains true beyond the very moment it’s made, is an ignis fatuus of minds who have trained themselves to ignore the messiness and the fickleness of the actual world all of us appear to be stuck in.
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But what about the really important things?
Like Alabama vs. LSU fans.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm back and finally sober/ halfway recovered
And I am rec’ing the hell out of this MM. “can we just stop this shit already?” sums up my feelings pretty well, but you said it more eloquently than any of us could put it.
Politickin' in God's Country
by chesirecat on Nov 10, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"But, you know what?— it doesn’t really fucking matter."
Yeah, sums up my thoughts entirely.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in a good way, in a good way.
I should hasten to add.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Must... not... comment.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 10, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I gfet today off as I'm a vetern of the pyschedelic wars
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 11, 2008 4:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut the fuck up
of Les Nessman will be killed by a crazy veteran.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holiday's only got 1 year left on the contract
They apparently think they have money to spend to keep him there. As an A’s fan, my thoughts are that they need to keep him to make the deal work. With all the money that should be flying for CC, ManRam, and others this offseason, they may catch some teams with less payroll flexibility next offseason and may be able to keep him. The A’s are currently sitting on a payroll around $40M this year, and I’ve seen rumors of that nearly doubling, so they certainly have room. Look for more moves from Oakland this year.
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on Nov 10, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't the A's get a sandwich
… pick or two when Holliday leaves as a free agent/ trade? This smells to me like Billy thinks that before the trade deadline in 2009 he can turn Holliday around for an even better package of players than he’s giving up now…plus he’’ land some primo draft picks.
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 10, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he can't get a sandwhich pick if he trides Holliday
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what if he tride real hard?
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
go back to making fun of chandrathan
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, the "i" and the "a" aren't even that close.
Maybe if you tride the “o” for the “a” but, um, I don’t know how that happened.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cocaine is a powerful drug.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call them Primo picks, by any stretch
They’d get a 1st rounder, provided the team that signs them isn’t in the top 15 picks of the 1st round – if that happened, that 1st ronder would turn to a 2nd rounder. So, you’re looking either at pick 16-30 and a supplemental (#31-35, probably), OR #31-35 and one in the 50’s.
Primo picks are typically the top 5-8 picks (as has been documented here, or at least referred to from here – a good research project I’m passing on right now!)
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on Nov 10, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
preach
Nice info, thanks.
My theory sucked – so what IS going on in Billy’s Bean?
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 11, 2008 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All I can figure is that
Beane isn’t convinced by Gonzalez’s bat, figures Street really is nothing more than a middle reliever and is selling high on Smith. Of course, this now frees Colorado to trade Wily Taveras to Cincinnati.
The question is, will a year and a half of Holliday plus two high draft picks be better than what Oakland gave up?
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Nov 10, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's doing it!
He’s eating a tire! agreeing with Paul Daugherty!
Well, not really so much as agreeing, but defending the do nothing approach as not entirely “silly.”
By doing “nothing,” Jocketty might simply be relying on certain players in the system to progress and/or weed themselves out. If you don’t particularly like what you see in free agency or what seems to be available via trade — at least, if you don’t like it much more than you like the bigger trading chips in your system — then stand pat and commit to developing and bringing to the majors players who are young and under your control for a good while.
The plebes will no doubt bewail the lack of action, but I would counter with an aggressive campaign to promote the young stars like Volquez, Bruce, Votto, and Alonso that are Reds first and foremost. Tampa’s recent success will make that kind of branding more acceptable I suspect.
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If the Reds did that...
I would be happy. But I have little faith in (1) the Reds’ “marketing team” to market the impressive young players, or (2) the Reds’ “manager” to let players progress and/or weed themselves out.
This place is like a sexy preschool.
by Gray on Nov 10, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
but it seems to me like a “let’s see what we can do next year” approach. I’m not asking to do something just to do something, but I hardly think that there’s nothing out there worth having. BTW, I’m arguing with Doc, not you. I can somewhat get behind your strategy, but that’s not Doc’s strategy. My concern with your plan is that I don’t think you’re playing for 2010 either. Your plan is better for the long-long term, but I think the Reds will fail for a couple of years without adding some outside parts before then.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You'll get nothing and like it!

What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
But are really confident the Red’s will actually find the right outside parts. Let me tell you I would rather them sit on their hands then make deals for players that will hinder this team.
by DisplacedFan on Nov 10, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I would do
-Fire Dusty.
I don’t know who I would replace him with. Rick Sweet has looked good in Louisville. I would find a minor league manager of some sort and give him his first Major League Job. Find a new guy to add to the circulation of managers.
-Kill Gapper
After that I don’t really have any good solutions. The free agent pool is rather shallow. With guys like Fransicso, Stubbs, Frazier, Dorn, all closing in on Cincinnati I would almost rather wait for these guys to come up and see what happens. I really wish they would have given Dorn some time in AAA this year, since he was more than adequate in Chatanogga.
i actually think acquiring Cody Ross is a good idea if the reds can get him for a guy like Maloney or Ramirez.
If Homer is halfway decent in spring training I would like to see him get the job. Plus I would like to see the Reds stick with him through his ups and downs, if he doesn’t completly collapse.
Maybe Barack Obama to manage the Reds. He could provide the change we need.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 4:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe the reds can get some of that bailout money and buy a world series
by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Not possible.
The Reds would first have to lose a whole bunch of money in one of two ways:
1. Taking a bunch of risks that they shouldn’t take by overpaying for players that are not likely to help the team in any way (the Wall Street/subprime loan approach); or
2. Mismanage the business completely, put out a crappy product and expect people to buy it no matter what, then complain to the government when people don’t buy it (the Detroit automaker approach).
Hmm…
Perhaps the Reds might wind up being 80% owned by the government after all…
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Nov 10, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the luxury tax is up his alley.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Nov 10, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought "Kill Gapper" was the name of some old-school baseball guy
sort of like Toe Nash. I googled for a bit, then realized I’m an idiot.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gabe Kapler gone horribly wrong?
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 10, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
because i love you schoureck. I feel like I would be you if i wasn’t a slacker. But instead of going to lawschool i am stuck having to get a masters and ph.d in history. Although even if i had a 4.0 GPA and scored in the 97th percentile on the GRE, and similarly on the L-Sat i think i would still go the history route. I would just be looking at schools like Boston College, or William and Marry, instead of Cincinnati, PItt, OSU etc, thinking they might be a strectch and roosevelt as my safe school.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what're you doing this weekend?
Shit, what’re you doing in 7 hours?
I’m about as excited to do law school as I am to kiss a shotgun, but I’m in a bind. EVERYONE thinks that going to grad school is a good idea because of the economy. I really, really, want to start doing something fun with my life (read: not law school). So its either Central Asia or Law School, but the trick is to find someone to pay me to do the former so I don’t have to do the latter.
Bubba…know anyone in the energy field who wants a nice 21-year-old to travel to someplace far away for them?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 11, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The energy field
They can’t get enough warm bodies. Seriously. Even with the recent decline in oil prices.
The oil industry has a pretty old workforce. A lot of their workers on the verge of retirement. They’re desperately seeking replacements, and are willing to train. If you’re willing to travel, even better.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Nov 11, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, I'm in
Fuck museums in their non-profit asses!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Walt needs to get a big time player...
That’s what Walt has always done. I will not, I say won’t be, surprised to see Holiday as a Red next year – a la Mark McGuire back at St. L.
AND for those of us old enough to remember…
Go Kristi! 
Just think in the next few years our ‘elder centers’ (nursing homes) will become filled with people whose names are not Martha, Edith, Alice Ruby , Mabel, Bernard, Fred, Herb and Wayne…nope it will be Wendi, Mandi, Kristi. Christi, LaKisha, Amber, Candi, Brandon, Chad, Michael, Brent, Josh and Slyde….
The times they are a ’ changin’
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 10, 2008 6:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe not...Looks like Holliday may go to the A's
Walt’s asleep at the wheel…he abd Dusty could start their own old baseball guys retirement home.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 10, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Walt hates our defense
I think watching the left side of our infield has to be the most painful thing in the world for Walt to watch. Walt watched Rolen collect GG after GG and now he gets to watch EE throw souvenirs out to fans along the first base line.
Walt has a history for sacrficing offense for superior defense. There is no way he keeps EE there. I bet he grabs up Beltre.
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 10, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see the defense improved
The Reds were worst in the NL in defensive efficiency, and behind only the Rangers in MLB.
Last year, they said they were going to improve the defense, because that’s the fastest way to improve a bad team. Great plan, but the execution was lacking.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think shortstop is a bigger problem defensively than 3B
EdE is a bad 3B. but Keppinger is pretty much just as bad as EdE is, and at a more important position. Gonzo has played 110 games at shortstop the past 2 years and has had a major knee surgery. his range was starting to wane in ’07, and i shutter to think what it might be now. we have no viable shortstop right now and Walt knows it.
at least with EdE there is a hope that he could get better. his tools are strong, so there is theoretically much room for improvement. no one is holding their breath though. im still undecided on whether or not i would move him, but with shortstop there is no doubt. this team will contend unless we upgrade at shortstop. the trouble is there are really no options.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are both horrible
Walt would sacrifice offense at both positions for some good D, but St Louis got good once they got Rolen and Renteria. He had Royce Clayton and Ozzie Smith at SS…..those are some good gloves.
I agree completely, but I think 3B will be easier to fix than SS. Too be completely honest I would love trading for Beltre and signing Omar Vizquel to a one year deal. How many runs would that improve the team if we had 3 GGs in the infield? Ignore Omar’s offense and bat him 8th. If nothing else he would be a solid role model for the young guys and defensive replacement, plus he has a relationship with Dusty.
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 10, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
walt’s trying to get jim edmonds
by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
devil woman
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No You Don't!
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quiet, you
He might read this and take it as implicit approval.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
obvious
*sign LaRue as the starting catcher
*close the family bathrooms at GABP
*begin serving only Hudy and PBR on tap
*take a flamethrower to holier than thou RR posters
*have U2 sing “God Bless America” at Opening Day
*Bring in George W Bush as advisor to the GM
*ban batting gloves. Our hitters are soft and need to toughen up. piss on your hands if needed.
*sign a left handed shortstop. its outside the box thinking, but its time has come.
*establish a RR booth at RedsFest. Duh!
*allow fans to participate in batting practice on Sundays. its a lot harder than it looks to clear the infield, even from a 60 mph straight fastball.
*mandate all batters wear double earflaps, a la Bronson. Duh!
*have Mike Brown throw out the first pitch at opening day. a no brainer.
by obc2 on Nov 10, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kuatman's Cafe (Deli?) has Hudy on tap again
$1.45 per glass, and some of the best damned cheeseburgers in town. Who wants one?
U2 – overrated these days (I’ll get killed for this but screw it, it’s the way I feel)
The RR booth at Redsfest is actually the best idea I’ve heard from you in some time. This would be fun as hell.
I agree on BP being harder than it looks. What screwed with me was the shortened distance between the pitcher and hitter.
Mike Brown, no brainer? couldn’t agree more.
Also, anyone going to the Bengals game Sunday and wanna meet up?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
U2 hasnt done anything worth doing since Achtung Baby
i wont kill you for saying it
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are the "holier than though RR posters"
going to be tourched at Reds Fest?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope to be..at least...
RRs at the bus stop on the way home from a previous Redsfest

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 11, 2008 4:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty damned close
sukr, Ash, & chandrathan. In that order. With obc and myself laughing just out of frame.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds suspiciously like a Gay Jesus post...

by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My heavens
whatever do you mean?
by Pops Daniels on Nov 11, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the alter ego post...
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 11, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Off Topic
Has anyone had any success with the DVD kiosks at Kroger? I’ve used them twice. The first time I didn’t get a movie at all (machine malfunction) and had to call and make sure I didn’t get charged. After talking myself into using one Saturday and returning the movie Sunday, I’ve been charged for three days at this point. Netflix FTW?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've used those kiosks with great success before
1.06 for a movie is awesome. Never had any problem, except the selection can suck sometimes.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have the Blockbuster home delivery type thing
I like it. They give you a coupon for a free in-store rental every month and you can exchange them in the store for free. I forget what it costs a month but it seems to suit us.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 11, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trevor Hoffman is on the market
The Padres yanked their contract offer, which had been for $4M plus incentives. Cleveland and St. Louis are coming up as likely destinations, but it would be sort of fitting if he could return to Cincinnati, the team that drafted him. Sadly, I don’t think he’s a fit here. He would help any bullpen, but I don’t think that either Hoffman or Coco Cordero would accept being a set up man. I would gladly try and move Coco to get a year of Hoffman, but Coco has a no-trade clause through the 2009 season.
Happy trails, Hell’s Bells Hoffman. And to the team that signs you, they’re gonna get ya, Satan get you!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have this thing against singing 41 year old relief pitchers
who put up an ERA+ of 101 last year. If he regresses just a touch more, he will be slugged like a pinata.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard any rumors, but I just remembered this guy
I wonder if Kenji Johjima is available. I know immediately most of you are going to go look up his stats and contract and then come back and call me a fool, but hear me out for a second. It can be argued that last season he was very unlucky. His line drive rate was the highest it has ever been at 21.1% but he only managed a BABIP of .233, a full 100 points below what would normally be expected with such a line drive rate. He also posted a low HR/FB rate, a number that tends to fluctuate outside of the individual player’s control. Set those rates to their typical level (.290 BABIP, 9.5% HR/FB) and his numbers look more like .288/.333/.425. It’s not great, but for a catcher that plays very good defense, it’s good enough. And who knows, since the Mariners have Jeff Clement to play catcher, they may be willing to take a deal to get rid of most of that contract.
The contract is a bit of a problem though. He’s listed at 3yr/$24m, but nobody has the breakdown of the years. The Mariners would obviously have to help out with some money on that, but I think he’s an excellent buy-low candidate. The new GM in Seattle may just be happy to get out from under a large portion of that contract and may not want a whole lot in return.
Just trying to throw an idea out there.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And it's a fine one
see, look at me, Mr. Positive. XOXOXO
by Pops Daniels on Nov 11, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you trying to make out with me?
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
has anybody tried to make out with you slyde
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brendan's mom, duh
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 11, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we
do-da-do it in the road….on a spreadsheet.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 11, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's hawt!
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a fool
He’s way too expensive. He doesn’t strike out, which would play well here, but he doesn’t take walks either. The fun little facts at Baseball Reference tell that he was third in the league in GIDPs in 2007, and that he gets hit by pitches at a near Biggian rate. His defense seems good, but his arm seems average. Wikipedia claims he is making rapid progress in learning English and Spanish, but I still have communication concerns with our young, Dominican pitchers.
Basically, the Mariners were very foolish to give him the contract extension they did, and I’d really rather not bring any of it to Cincinnati.
Also, does anyone find it ominous that we haven’t heard anything from Bill Bavasi? I have to say, I’m a little nervous.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to make a joke about how Felix Hernandez really seemed to struggle with KJ behind the plate
and then call you racist for thinking Dominicans can’t handle it as well as Venezuelans, but then…
King Felix did worse with KJ behind the plate than all of the other catchers he’s had. Oppenent’s AVG/OBP/SLG:
with KJ (67 games): .270/.330/.412
with others (38 games): .242/.305/.355
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Slyde, tell me how my ass tastes!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you have Mexican last night?
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit, I wasn't done yet
I’m not sure if the language barrier is an issue – it seems like it would be an issue regardless of which uncommon language both players speak – but it makes you wonder if something is there.
To address your other points, I don’t expect great offense from a catcher, but I think KJ is adequate, if not a little above average for a catcher if you can assume that he’ll go back to his previous level. That’s obviously a risk, and given the money he’s making, I’m not enthusiastic about the idea, but I wanted to talk about something not so depressing as the conversation above, so here’s what I came up with.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there are starving children all around the world slyde
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, something less depressing and you chose the Mariners?
The only Mariner I’d want to hear about is Beltre, and I would be much, much happier to go with Hanigan then give anything up for Johjima.
In other depressing catcher news, what do you think of Javy’s chances of coming back? Can he still catch? If language really is an issue, does it make sense to have a catcher that speaks Spanish?
by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not optimistic that Hanigan will be anything other than a part-time or backup
I like him as one of the catchers, but not necessarily as THE man behind the mask.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on
I’ll find somewhere to rent movies. Season 3 of The Girls Next Door can’t hide forever.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Ash decided to give up her cushy job at Blockbuster
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
200!
TONIGHT, WE DINE AT RUBY TUESDAY’S!!!!!
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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