Why the Reds should trade for Cody Ross
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 1, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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I know, FTH right?
Cody Ross was one of the many who came through the revolving door that was the Reds roster back in '06. Wayner picked him up from the Dodgers for a song and, after 5 memorable ABs with the club, quickly sold him to the Marlins for a few thousand JC Penney gift cards (he is reportedly a rabid admirer of their St John's Bay line). He got 250 ABs with the Marlins and induced almost as many yawns. '07 was a teaser year from Ross, as he only had 173 ABs due to a hamstring injury, but he really made good with what little time he had. He posted a line of .335/.411/.653 in 66 games and played admirable defense at all 3 outfield positions.
via codyross.org
In '08, Ross failed to match his Pujolsian production of the previous year, but still put up a respectable line of .260/.316/.488 in 461 ABs. According to Justin, he was the second-most valuable CF in the National League, behind only Shane Victorino. He posted a RAR of 23.1, FRAR of 8.5, and a Total Value of 32.1. In case you were wondering, the soon-to-be free agent and all-around good guy Adam Dunn posted a Total Value of 23.8. He will be arb-eligible for the first time this winter and the Marlins may be looking to shed a few of their 16 arb-eligible players. According to this post at MLBTraderumors the Marlins are looking to keep him, but perhaps the allure of a few intriguing prospects and the reduction of payroll could be enough to pry him loose.
So those are the positives. He's a right-handed high SLG-low OBP guy who rates as an above average center fielder. But of course, that low OBP should set off alarms. .316 (his lifetime is .324) is just a notch better than our favorite free-swinger Brandon Phillips. This team has an issue getting on base as it is, and Ross would do little to remedy that. And this whole exercise could be rendered moot if the Marlins are not interested in trading him at all. So there is that as well. And we cannot overlook the fact that he's had exactly one fully productive season in the major leagues. Those are the negatives.
Ross in LF sounds much more palatable to me than the expensive (both in prospects and $$) soon-to-be free agent Matt Holliday and the expensive and soon-to-be old Magglio Ordonez. He rates as a great defensive LF, though his OPS of ~.820 would be a bit below average. All together though, he would be a solidly above average guy to have in our outfield.
So what kind of trade package would it take to get Ross from the Marlins? It certainly wouldn't take any of the players on our current ML roster, which is a big plus. They won't be asking for Cueto. I'm not even sure it would take any of our top 5 prospects, like Frazier, Stubbs, Valaika, or Soto. They just sent Mike Jacobs to the Royals for an unproven and unspectacular middle reliever, so that should give us a bit of an indicator. Though Ross is more valuable than Jacobs, I think a package of mid-tier prospects should get it done.
Defense, in both the infield and outfield, has been one of the most damning problems for this team for a while now. Ross would be a huge defensive upgrade in the outfield while holding his own with the stick. He also would not be cost-prohibitive, as he stands to make a Corey Patterson wage this year and shouldn't cost us any of our most valuable prospects. This is something the Reds should seriously look into.
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charlie for GM
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by justin007000 on Nov 1, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK si if you put Ross in LF
You better find a 3B right handed hittin’ BANGER – cause it ain’t EdE.
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by Madville on Nov 1, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Freel appears to be bangin
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by justin007000 on Nov 1, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Ross in LF?
Why not CF? Don’t people generally see Bruce as more of a corner OFer than a CFer? And Dickerson as more a 4th outfielder than a starter?
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by BubbaFan on Nov 1, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like that Ross and Dickerson are versatile enough they could interchange (another point in favor of Ross)
and i would like to give Dickerson a shot at CF because his defense and his speed should play well there. and he should get on base enough to not embarrass himself. i think he can hold down the fort long enough for Stubbs to be good and ready. but wherever you want to play him, i think Ross is a savvy addition.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 1, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do Dickerson's defensive stats look like?
His rate is pretty gawd-awful, but it is a pretty small sample size, and I know defensive stats are ever controversial.
I have not seen a lot of Dickerson, especially in CF. Seems like he’s been injured whenever I’ve had a chance to see him play. He does have great speed, but it takes more than that to be a good outfielder.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is just too small a sample size to trust any of the advanced metrics
so im going completely on his reputation. BA has listed him as the Best Defensive Outfielder in the system more than once, though i can only find the link to their ’07 list here. the dude is a phenomenal athlete and from what little ive seen of him in the bigs i think he can handle CF with great aplomb.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 1, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'll take your word for it
I haven’t seen Dickerson play much. I kind of think of him as the Reds’ version of the Yankees’ Brett Gardner, who has crazy speed, an insane OBP…and no power. He might get a chance to prove he can handle CF, but most don’t expect him to succeed.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 2, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dickerson had 17 HRs
last year while Gardner has had 9 HRS in his career(1500 ABs).
Dickerson’s developing power is one of the factors that lead me to believe he is an underrated prospect.
Along with his consistent ability to draw walks from day one and great speed.
Dickerson seems to be on a path to be around 20 HR/ 70-80 BB with plus defense.
by davidmac84 on Nov 2, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gardner will improve a lot in his hitting
He’s really raw at the plate. I’m kind of surprised, because while the Yankees may neglect fielding, bunting, and baserunning, their prospects are usually a little more polished when it comes to hitting.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 2, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tha's 'SO if'
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by Madville on Nov 1, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant Banging not Skagging
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by Madville on Nov 1, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one day you will master the reply button
he was probably banging later that night if you know what i mean, wink wink, nudge nudge.
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by justin007000 on Nov 1, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please give forward me the Reply Button tutorial
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by Madville on Nov 1, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey fuck you madville
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Yeah I went there.
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by justin007000 on Nov 1, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and i even gave you a little taste of your own medicine
and didn’t use the reply button.
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by justin007000 on Nov 1, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
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by Madville on Nov 2, 2008 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's jusint and madville's world
and we’re just sufferin’ through it
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by chandrathan on Nov 2, 2008 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He started it.....
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by Madville on Nov 2, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Someone like Stubbs, Dorn, or Henry will provide you with at least Ross-like production within the next year for a fraction of the cost. Bad move.
by Snake the Jake on Nov 2, 2008 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
really?
you think Dorn, Stubbs, or Henry are capable of stepping in on April Fool’s Day and posting an .800 OPS while playing a full win above average on defense? if any of these three do anything remotely like that it would exceed even the loftiest of expectations.
and i take exception to your thought that Ross would be cost-prohibitive. he is arb-eligible for the first time this winter and stands to earn about 3 mil. this is not based on any hard evidence, just my ballpark figure. even if its 4 mil or 5 mil, i dont think it changes my argument. his production would still be worth much more than his salary.
of course, there is the cost of prospects. this is much harder to pin down, as neither of us (at least i dont) have any inside understanding of how the Marlins front office views him. i can guess he wouldnt cost any of our best prospects though. i would think the Marlins would want guys in return who are close to major league-ready, as they are looking to contend next year. but with a payroll around 40 mil, they will need to fill much of the roster with pre-arb players (guys like Maloney, Cumberland, and Manuel would work well for them).
i think the best part of getting Ross is that he is still fairly young (he’ll be magic 28 next year) and has established he can play in the majors, but is not quite a star yet. for those who are looking for the Reds to make a savvy move for the next Carlos Quentin, i think Ross is a decent target.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
......
I didn’t say that someone would produce like Ross on opening day. Although I think by the end of the year, someone will be really close. Ross will be slightly better but not worth the extra costs (i.e., prospects and $$$$).
If the Reds want to spend money, they should go after guys like Beltre and Furcal. Acquiring Ross doesn’t get them anywhere.
by Snake the Jake on Nov 2, 2008 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
between the three of them (Dorn, Stubbs, and Henry)
they have exactly 75 ABs above AA. Dorn and Henry are long shots to make the majors any time before September, so i’ll just focus on Stubbs.
im a huge fan of Stubbs. i think he can be a very solid above average CF for the Reds over the coming years. he’s gonna be great. but if the Reds are looking to make some noise this year, Drew Stubbs is not going to be able to help them much. though he is a great prospect, his hitting and power are still pretty raw. give him a year in AAA and he’ll be a ROY candidate in ’10.
as for Beltre and Furcal, Beltre will make 12 mil this coming year and Furcal will make even more than that. Beltre will be under contract for one year and then will most likely be gone. Furcal will be looking for something like a 4-5 year deal at 12-15 a year, all for the decline phase of his career. According to Justin’s numbers, Furcal was worth 8 runs FEWER than Ross last year. so you can have Furcal at 14 mil and 2.5 wins, i’ll take Ross at 4 mil and 3.2 wins. as for Beltre, im ok with getting him. heck, we could even get both Ross and Beltre if the Reds are really serious about winning now.
but Ross is a great move for the Reds because he is a short AND long term answer for reasonable cost. if after this season Dorn and Stubbs are rarin’ to go, you have a legitimate talent surplus. that would be all right by me. but Ross is exactly the kind of guy the Reds should be looking at. cost-controlled for 3 years, affordable prospect-wise, strong defense, and versatile (he can play all outfield positions).
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget Edwin, Heisey, and Cumberland
The Reds definitely have some internal short and long term options. I don’t even want to bring up Freel/Hopper.
There is no way that Furcal is less valuable than Ross. Furcal plays solid defense at SS. He also gets on base at a pretty good clip. Numbers wise, Furcal would have smoked Ross if Furcal wouldn’t have missed 75% of the year.
It all depends on how much the Reds will have to give up to acquire someone. Ross will cost some prospects. I don’t think Furcal would cost anything but money (I didn’t see him listed as a type A or B). Furcal might be too expensive but there should be some type of discount due to his injury troubled 2008. The Reds don’t have any good SS prospects banging on the door so Furcal would fill both a short and long term need.
A Furcal/Beltre left side of the infield would be nice. A man can dream.
by Snake the Jake on Nov 3, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal played in 36 games last year
and he tore the cover off the ball in those 143 ABs he had. his OPS+ was 164. his career OPS+ is ~95. sounds like a small sample size issue to me.
so one could assume that Furcal could put up an OPS+ around 95 next year while playing average to slightly above defense and will make over 10 mil. i dont see a discount coming for his injury last year. shortstops like him are pretty rare and like Magglio Ordonez some years ago i think he will get a legit long-term deal despite what happened last year.
Ross on the other hand, stands to make 3-4 mil next year after his first arbitration winter. his career OPS+ is 111 and he plays average to above average defense at a premium defensive position (CF) with the versatility to play the other two OF positions. also, he will be 28 next season and is under team control through his age 30 season. Furcal will be 31 next season and will most likely sign a deal for the next 4 years.
i’ll even be charitable and give you that Ross will produce slightly less than Furcal next year and the next two afterward. so you can either have Ross for three years at around 15 mil (plus the mid-tier prospects it would take to get him), or you can have Furcal for the next four at around 40-50 mil. even if Ross is slightly less productive (and thats a big IF) are you going to honestly say that Furcal is the better deal there?
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are putting a little too much emphasis on the most recent season by Ross
About half of his career plate appearances came last season, so that will skew his career numbers. He’s a 27-year old that just completed his first full season in the big leagues. And while it was a very good season, I wouldn’t be jumping out of my shoes to acquire him. When you take the broader view of his career so far, you get a different picture:
Year RAR Field TtlVal 2005 -2.8 -0.4 -3.5 2006 2.3 2.2 3.0 2007 -2.2 3.1 -0.5 2008 23.0 8.9 33.5
He has no track record of success at the MLB level and is a coming off of a career year. I think the prudent move would be to not expect him to match what he did in 2008. Baseball has a history of players who “broke out” around age 27 or 28 only to be washed up by age 30. His k-rate and walk-rate leave me less than excited about his future. I think I’d pass on him.
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by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think thats part of my point
the guy is not yet “established”, and thats the whole reason why i think he could be had for a reasonable price. of course the emphasis has to be placed on his most recent season; its really the only season he’s had where he played everyday. he rates as a pretty average CF, so i think if he moved to LF he would be well above average there. also, he’s slugged .500 at Dolphin Stadium for his career. so i think a move to GABP would see a rise in his power numbers.
of course there is a sample size issue when taking a look at his career, but i think he’s a relatively low risk for the possible rewards. if we trade for him and he totally busts, we can just non-tender him. what have we lost? a few mid-tier prospects and 3 million dollars? but if he matches his performance from last year it would be more than worth it.
my whole point in look at Ross is that he’s the kind of player that could make a positive impact on this team for the next few years without tying up significant payroll or costing us premium prospects. Holliday and Ordonez are going to be too expensive, Beltre and Roberts are one year deals, and free agents are going to cost tons of money for past-their-prime output. no, Ross is not ideal, but i think he could be serviceable and at a decent price. there’s good value in that.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
If he was in our system already, I’d be all for playing him – as I am with Chris Dickerson. I just can’t get myself excited about trading for someone who I believe is just as likely to be replacement level next year as he is to repeat what he did this season.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apples to oranges
To determine their values, you have to compare Ross to his potential replacements and Furcal to his potential replacements.
The Reds are in pretty good shape with respect to outfielders. Unless the Reds move Phillips to shortstop, then they don’t have anyone that would be an average major league SS. Ross would be a slight improvement but redundant.
I hope the Reds can get Furcal for 3 years. Pecota doesn’t see a significant drop off during that time period.
Baseball Prospectus rates Furcal as a plus defender and Ross as a below average centerfielder. Defensive metrics are a mystery to me though.
by Snake the Jake on Nov 3, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of things
PECOTA hasn’t been updated to take into account Furcal’s injured season in 2008. I don’t know what kind of affect that will have, but you might see a dip in projected production because of that. That doesn’t prove that Furcal will necessarily have a dip, but I remember reading somewhere that injuries can cause PECOTA to fluctuate more from one season to the next because the player becomes more highly volatile, or something like that.
Also, BP’s fielding stats are a bit suspect because they don’t take play-by-play data into account. They are pretty good for past seasons since the play-by-play information isn’t available, but I would say Hardball Times RZR or ESPN’s Zone Rating are more informative since they use play-by-play data and give us more of an indication about how many true opportunities a player had at his position.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please esplane....
The Reds are in pretty good shape with respect to outfielders.
Lets see we have:
Bruce – real good
Hairston – old and oft injured
Dickerson – untried
Stubbs – No MLB experience
Hopper – can’t hit or throw
Freel – Oft injured – a B- defender
Micah Owings – I guess we’d better include him
EdE – a Total question mark
WE have one pretty exceptional talent in Bruce, One decent (oft hurt) hitter in Hairston and one untried player in Dickerson who appears to be a decent defender.
These other guys are not going to propel the Reds to new heights like a winning season or post season play.
We need a power RH hitting left fielder and maybe a CF too, Unless C-Dick and Cherry can handle it. Freel can’t play there effectively, Jay Bruce isn’t the CF answer and Hopper can’t hit the ball out of the infield.
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by Madville on Nov 3, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce, Dickerson, Edwin, Stubbs, Dorn, Cumberland, Heisey, Henry...
I think the Reds are ok with those guys. I’d rather see improvements made to the infield.
by Snake the Jake on Nov 3, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i know
they shoud fire the hold groundscrew to improve the infield.
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by justin007000 on Nov 3, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
think the Reds can pick up Kenny Lofton this year, instead?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 3, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nope
but they are thinking of signing kenny loggins
GABP is the Danger Zone!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 3, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need offense
And Kenny Loggins is a hit machine.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
damn
I had 6pm in the office “how long til ’nukkah makes the Yacht Rock reference” pool. Just missed.
Good one though. rec’d!
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by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't
completely sure, but i thought i was setting up a yacht rock joke
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 3, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He lived off Jim Messina
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by Madville on Nov 3, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And now Jimmy Messina
is living off of unmarked liquor bottles in the alley behind the hotel.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not
Use those same prospects to instead acquire Hermida? That’s a guy FL has actually been willing to move and helps the OBP-challengedness of this team.
by Zorak84 on Nov 2, 2008 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hot Stove heating up...
Filed for free agency yesterday:
CC Sabathia, Adam Dunn, Josh Fogg, David Weathers, Orlando Hudson, Mark Kotsay, Orlando Cabrera, Brian Fuentes, Livan Hernandez, Scott Podsednik, Arthur Rhodes, Orlando Hernandez, Keith Foulke, Tom Gordon, Trevor Hoffman.
Among those filing Friday were Jerry Hairston Jr., Kent Mercker, Javier Valentin, Sean Casey, Rocco Baldelli, Frank Thomas, Pedro Martinez and Rich Aurilia.
There’s a complete list here.
Reds Insider is reporting that the Indians are interested in Dunn.
And the GM Meetings start tomorrow and run through Thursday. Not usually a lot of deals done there, but there could be some.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 2, 2008 10:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I see + Blalock, Hank (3B); is on the list.
I like this guy….any ball player with the name of Hank has got to be pretty good.
Hank Aaron, Hank Mantle, Hank Rose, Mr. Hankey, Hank Run Baker – the list goes on
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by Madville on Nov 2, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to be a big Hank Blalock fan, but he hasn't been healthy for the last 2 seasons
and the two years before that he wasn’t that good. More importantly, his defense has been questionable the last two seasons to the point that he played more games at 1B last year than 3B. I’m not sure if it was the injuries or what because he used to be a good defensive 3B, but not really anymore.
It probably doesn’t matter since the Rangers are likely going to pick up his $6.2 million option and then try to trade him. I might be interested in him as a free agent – assuming he’s healthy – but I wouldn’t trade for him.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arthur Rhodes and Keith Fouke still play?
And yeah, Hermida sounds interesting. Isn’t he, like, an epically bad fielder though?
I am firmly on the Beltre wagon: get him for one year, let him play great, then get the 2 draft picks.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 3, 2008 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two draft picks aren't worth two prospects
so if they are going to get Beltre, they better make a couple other moves.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida - last 3 seasons
Year RAR Field TtlVal 2006 4.4 5.0 6.7 2007 30.7 5.4 32.0 2008 11.3 0.0 6.8
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and he bats left-handed
I’m not all that interested unless he comes really cheap.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 3, 2008 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
goes to show you how wonderful "defensive rep" is.
And no, of course two draft picks aren’t worth two prospects. And I don’t think anyone thinks Beltre is the only move the Reds ought to make. I just think that targeting him is the most important move that they can make. Beltre and Cody right now seem like a solid 2 to look at. I’d also look at shortstops, because I don’t think BP will move. But I can’t think of anyone off of the top of my head.
Beltre has the biggest potential for the Reds, but I think outside of that, the Reds ought to just stockpile useful folks and see who plays well.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 3, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey.
I think we need a power hitter. I hear that there was this Arizona left fielder who has had 40 home runs and 100 RBI in four of the last five seasons who just filed for free agency. Maybe we can sign him?
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Nov 3, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah
he doesn’t run to left field.
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by justin007000 on Nov 3, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or *in* left field
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Nov 7, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Maybe if he was right-handed.
And if he wasn’t so obviously happy to get the hell out of Dodge.
And if we didn’t have to outbid the Cleveland Indians.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 3, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ross is an underrated player
Although personally, I’d hang onto the prospects and play EdE, Bruce, and Dickerson in the OF and look into the 3B market for ideally a Beltre type (or possibly even Kouzmanoff if he’s cheap enough). Stubbs could be ready mid-season, so if Dickerson flounders, the replacement option is already in tow.
If the price was low enough on Ross, it’s worth doing, but it would have to be a quite low price
by NeifiChicken on Nov 4, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lets say that they wanted Maloney and Tyler Pellend?
I would make that trade. I wouldn’t trade a top prospect but I think Ross could be a solid place holder for next year, and a strong fourth outfielder after that. I know that Slyde is predicting that Ross will be a replacement level player next season. Do the Reds have a third outfielder in the system right now who could even be considered to be “replacement level” on an MLB roster.
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by justin007000 on Nov 5, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maloney and Pellend works for me...
Do the Reds have a third outfielder in the system right now who could even be considered to be "replacement level" on an MLB roster…..the closest player the Reds have is Micah Owings…
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
by Madville on Nov 6, 2008 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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