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Bako Gone

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081008/SPT04/810080352/1071/spt04

Fay reports on Jocketty's "decision":

He hasn't talked to representatives for Corey Patterson and Paul Bako, and he probably won't.

"We're going to move on," Jocketty said. "In the case of Bako, we're looking to improve the catching. (Ryan) Hanigan had a good year. We're probably going to go younger."

 

and gets some passive-aggressive kicking in as well:

Patterson and Bako were two players fans loved to hate this year. Both also played for manager Dusty Baker in Chicago. Both signed late at Baker's urging.

 

Let the days of feasting continue apace.....

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yay!

we’re already moving in the right direction…

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2008 6:09 PM EDT   0 recs

who are these guys?

and what have they done with our Reds front office?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Oct 8, 2008 6:32 PM EDT   0 recs

I like

Barack Obama.

by Brendanukkah on Oct 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT   0 recs

Is he gone?

I would be, if I were him.

Gonna be a thankless job to clean up this mess.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Things have been bleak before

And we’ve been lucky to have presidents that have risen to the challenges. Here’s hoping we choose another one.

by Brendanukkah on Oct 8, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If history repeats itself

Obama looks like another Jimmy Carter to me.

McCain is more like Richard Nixon.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Things ain't been this bleak in a long time...could be a real economic and class shit storm on the horizon BUT

The news about Bako should send the Dow up about 450 – 500 at tomorrow’s opening bell.

Ibn Khaldoun and Hulrich Zwingli - now that's real reform, Mr. McCain.

by Madville on Oct 8, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re: class shitstorm

it is going to be a lot of fun when someone gets scapegoated for the whole “economic crisis” thing. This is a great time for a demagogue to come up and unite the people against a common enemy.

I nominate Reynard.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 8, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i blame the fucking johava's witnesses

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

jo-hava:

joey votto + jay bruce?

This place is like a sexy preschool.

by Gray on Oct 8, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yes, but

with Jerry Narron saying it.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 8, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point

I’m cashing out my IRA and putting it all in tar and feathers.

According to CNBC, someone punched the CEO of Lehman in the face. Knocked him out cold.

And unhappy investors are rioting in the streets of Hong Kong.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

how bout we scapegoat the Jews for Jesus?

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whats it like there these days?

Is there a feeling of panic in the air these days, or is it kind of ho-hum, somebody will figure this out and we will continue not compromising our “American way of life.”

I watched the debate online last night. McCain really comes off as a real stooge. John, I am not your friend, and don’t really have any inkling to be.

Obama was very calm and collected. Presidential might be the word I am looking for. Yawn.

I guess for me, I most interested in who is going to help us mobilize people on a large scale to create an exit to this mode of living that is highly unstable. I don’t think McCain has any plan in doing anything but “staying the course” and Obama is preaching change, but that really means trying to corral this beast of an economic system when we really need to be teaching it a new trick. That is to say, instead of more regulated capitalism, we should be collectively dreaming up new ways to meet needs that won’t go into crisis every 30 years or so. That and most of the world remains in poverty even in times of “economic "prosperity.” Oh, and the global warming thingy-mabob. Probably shouldn’t use an economic model that needs to expand ad infinitum in a world of finite resources.

But I suppose you already know how I feel. Anybody ready to get organized yet?

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Oct 8, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm going to argentina in february

that is my response to all this

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There are some

hopeful things going on in Argentina.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Oct 8, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That is pretty much my feeling

Both candidates are basically promising to get us back to business as usual. But business as usual may no longer be possible.

However, that is likely a result of the basic structure of our political system. Our founding fathers feared change. They thought it led to instability. So our entire system is set up to produce two parties, without much difference between them.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Our founding fathers feared change?

Those mofos were revolutionary.

by Red Menace on Oct 8, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

even the most radical revolutionary...

…becomes a conservative on their first day of power.

by jacob brumfield on Oct 9, 2008 1:12 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

They were

But they worried a lot about instability. For good reason, really, when you look what was going on at the time. The United States has lasted over 200 years, which is pretty impressive. Like new businesses, new countries often don’t last long.

A political scientist I know describes the U.S. as an ocean liner. It’s very, very stable, and won’t tip over, but getting it to change direction is slow and difficult. Which could suck, if there’s an iceberg ahead.

Parliamentary systems, like many European countries have, are like speedboats. They are nimble, they can turn on a dime…and they can flip over and kill you.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 9, 2008 6:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

another boat

I think it was Jefferson who said,
“Democracy is like a raft. It never sinks, but you always have your feet wet.”

by bbjones on Oct 9, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They revolted from what and towards what?

Their revolution was about controlling their political and economic destiny and not watching all of the resources that the “new world” had to offer be shipped back to the British Empire.

I say the “new world” was offering resources to the colonists more than a little facetiously. The intentional displacement and murder of indigenous people, and the unintentional and at times intentional disease-based genocide of these first peoples opened up vast tracts of some of the most fertile land in the world. Half a million African slaves later, this part of the Americas was on its way to becoming a booming colonial power.

Our “founding fathers” saw the opportunity for prosperity, grabbed the dominant political (liberal humanism) and economic (market based capitalism) ideology and took off running.

And here we are more than 200 years later dealing with the same system that has always depended on violence and military intervention, always been in or between crisis, and always not worked for the majority of the people in the world.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Oct 9, 2008 9:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure how much you can blame the founding fathers for Manifest Destiny.

I’m sure they all wanted to grow, but in the late 18th century, I don’t think they could have imagined fighting a war against Britain, then taking over France’s colonies, then taking over Spain’s. And I’ve always questioned the whole “intentional disease-based genocide” bit with the blankets-full-of-smallpox. Lister didn’t discover the whole theory of antiseptics until 1867, and I know that they weren’t popularized in Europe until well after the Crimean War until the 1880’s.

I am not in any way, shape, or form condoning the US’s Native Americans policy…I would love for some politician to call us out for genocide, because thats what it was, pure and simple. I just don’t think it was as intentional as some think.

It is also telling, I think, that Native Americans (in general…I really don’t know enough to say which nations fought for which side) fought on the British side in the War of Independence and the Southern side in the Civil War. A sort of general “These yankees are NOT going to be kind to us” sort of feeling permeated, no?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 9, 2008 9:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

small pox quilts

its pretty well documented (i think) that they kinda knew what they were doing. you dont have to be a microbiologist to see that when someone is sick and someone else uses their blanket, the second someone gets sick too.

this reminds me of an old wives tale recipe for making mice i once read. it was something like mixing a jar of grains with some hay and wrap it up in an old farmer’s shirt. let it sit in the barn for a few days and presto! you created mice!

what im saying is just because they didnt understand the underlying science of it all doesnt mean they werent aware of cause and effect.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 9, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

In the 12th century, an army catapulted the bodies of their own soldiers who had died of plague over the walls of a city they were besieging. The homes and possessions of plague victims were often burned, so there was some understanding of contagion, even if they didn’t understand about germs.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 9, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

those guys feared the masses

the uneducated, French Revolution type masses.

I am Bill S. Preston, Esquire.

by Dubman on Oct 9, 2008 4:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well, yeah

which is why Jefferson loved an “Agrarian Democracy”. If you’re rural, you’re not meeting and getting pissed off with a bunch of other folks.

Now that I’m learning about how Milosevic and Tudjman started the fall of Yugoslavia in one of my classes…man, mobs are scary as hell. Get a bunch of people in an enclosed space, start a fight between two of them, and watch all hell break loose.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 9, 2008 9:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

great presidents are made by the times

if he can see us through this, he will be seen as a great President.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And if he can't

He will go down as the worst president in history.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he would have to compete with

Hoover (who i think gets a bad rap), Buchanan, Harding.

I think if everything gets worse, when history has had proper time to judge him, he would be seen as inheriting a mess hardly anybody could clean up.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

history wont be kind to W

He’s settling into James Polk territory.

I go with Franklin Pierce, the only sitting US President to NOT be nominated by his party for re-election. Amazing that Pierce and Buchanan went back-to-back. Kinda like Ray Knight-Bob Boone, no?

by obc2 on Oct 8, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Pierce was that bad...

didn’t he get us Oregon? The whole 44’40" or fight bit?

I feel bad for Buchanan…being the first homosexual president and all…he really blew a great chance for homosexuals by incidentally being a terrible president.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 8, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like Polk

MANIFEST DESTINY BITCHES!

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he is

But I don’t think history will see it that way. There’s a need to create a narrative with a hero, and if that’s not possible, a villain. Hence Hoover getting a bad rap.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dubya can be Hoover

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

'cause he sucks ;-)

Actually, Paulson looks like the goat at the moment.

But it’s early yet.

I think this bailout is going to go down as an epic fail. One that will reflect poorly on Paulson, Bush, Bernanke…and McCain, Obama, and everyone else who voted for it.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you know in blazing saddles when Mel Brooks says

we gotta do something to save our phony balonghy jobs?

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or according to Biden

FDR, because President Roosevelt got on TV when the market crashed.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The reason why Hoover sucks

While the Depression was getting started, Hoover had one of the classic dumbass quotes in US presidential history of:

“The hobos are living better than ever!”

WTF!?!?!?!?!

http://naptownsfinest.com

by Colts Homer on Oct 14, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How's that?

Everyone knows who was president when this disaster actually happened.

This place is like a sexy preschool.

by Gray on Oct 8, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mark it down

The disaster hasn’t even begun yet.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure, and the Depression got worse under Roosevelt.

That doesn’t mean he was in charge when things went bad.

This place is like a sexy preschool.

by Gray on Oct 9, 2008 12:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think...

…this is going to make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

Seriously, it hasn’t even begun yet. I know everyone’s hoping this is the top of the 7th. But it’s probably more like bottom of the 2nd. Or maybe the singing of the national anthem.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 9, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

PANIC!

I have already buried all of my savings, and have begun growing my own crops. I will be heating my house this summer with cow patties and trees I chopped down at the state park. This will be the last time I post as I have traded my computer for a handful of rice and three skittles.

by jacob brumfield on Oct 9, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

yum

skittles

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 9, 2008 5:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's about how it is

Seriously, people who were telling me only a few weeks ago that you can make money in bull or bear markets, people who had sophisticated hedges set up, even worked for financial companies and ran hedge funds…have withdrawn all their money and buried it in the backyard.

I think the next shoe to drop is going to be news of massive hedge fund collapses. You heard it here first.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 9, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

actually

I’ve heard it in ten different other places first.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 9, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't be depressed, Panic!

Here’s an interesting article, saying it’s less like 1929 and more like 1873…
http://www.viewfromsiliconvalley.com/id452.html

If that’s true, put your money in companies that are long on cash. And be prepared to wait.

by bbjones on Oct 9, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've seen that one

It’s interesting, but I’m not sure I buy it.

He’s arguing that 1873 marked a shift in financial power from Europe to the US, and this current crisis will mark the shift from the US to Asia.

I don’t see how that will happen. IMO, what many of these financial types miss is that the base of every economy is natural resources. China and India simply do not have the natural resources to assume the role of financial center of the universe. (And, it might be argued, we no longer do, either.)

I think what we’re seeing may be the end of globalization. Which could suck for us, since the point of globalization was to give us access to other countries’ resources, when our own started running out.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 9, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's part of it

And I agree with your criticism of that part. But the part I find interesting is the idea that the proliferation of easy mortgages in Europe lead to rampant real estate price escalation, for so long that everyone (well, enough people) believed it would never stop. Simultaneously, the railroad barons floated a lot of commercial loans through derivative products that no one really understood. When people began to suspect that those derivatives wouldn’t perform they way they thought, the bubble burst, liquidity dried up, and everyone who was charging their business expenses to the corporate card until the invoiced were paid, suddenly found their credit limit lowered to about $20 and their interest rate went through the roof. This caused them to go bankrupt, as their cash flow stream got whacked. Those will large amounts of cash (Carnegie, et al.) came by, and effectively provided liquidity by buying up companies with good fundamental positions but bad cash flow. Eventually, those good companies started turning good profits again, and Carnegie got to start his own university. Everybody else went under.

I have to say, the part (up to now) of that story looks awfully familiar.

by bbjones on Oct 10, 2008 2:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

That happened in the Great Depression, too. Cash was king. Gold was confiscated by government, of course, but the price of other commodities fell, and people were forced to sell everything. Real estate, antiques, jewelry, etc., were sold for pennies on the dollar.

A lot of the talking heads think we’re headed for inflation, but my guess is we’ll get the opposite. The Fed will do everything possible to avoid deflation, but Helicopter Ben doesn’t have enough helicopters. This credit implosion is massively deflationary. A lot of wealth has vanished. Even people who have cash are afraid to lend it or spend it. We can’t print enough money to fix this.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 10, 2008 7:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

goldilocks is better

of course, but why isn’t deflation much better than inflation?

Turn on the presses to make green money. Hire anyone who will take the job to start fixing the bridges, roads, and infrastructure that are broken all over this country. Give them green money, and let it trickle up.

Either it grows the money supply enough to head off the deflation, or it makes nearly no impact on the money supply you get free bridges. This is good either way, isn’t it?

by bbjones on Oct 11, 2008 1:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Deflation
of course, but why isn’t deflation much better than inflation?

The Great Depression was deflation. The problem with deflation is it tends to feed on itself. If things will be cheaper tomorrow then they are today, why buy now? People tend to sit on their money, waiting for prices to drop. This means more people lose their jobs, more businesses close, etc., resulting in lower demand for goods, which means still lower prices, and more reason not to buy.

Turn on the presses to make green money. Hire anyone who will take the job to start fixing the bridges, roads, and infrastructure that are broken all over this country. Give them green money, and let it trickle up.

That is the traditional remedy for deflation, but if things are really bad, it won’t work. Give every American a few thousand dollars, and if they’re really worried about the future or think prices will keep dropping, they’ll just sit on the money.

That is basically what’s happening now, with businesses. There’s plenty of money, but nobody wants to spend it or lend it.

Either it grows the money supply enough to head off the deflation, or it makes nearly no impact on the money supply you get free bridges. This is good either way, isn’t it?

Nothing is free. Especially now, when so much of our raw materials are imported (unlike in the 1930s). If we print money like there’s no tomorrow, other countries will be reluctant to deal with us.

And we just can’t print enough money. The amount of money that has been destroyed by this credit crisis is phenomenal. The price of homes in the US will probably have to drop to about half what it is now before things stabilize. Think about all the wealth that’s destroyed that way. We can’t give people that much money – half the cost of the average home. And if we did, they wouldn’t spend it all.

Of course, looking at the bigger picture, deflation might be a good thing. We cannot expect infinite growth on a finite planet. And we Americans are using way more than our share of the earth’s resources (and have been charging it on our credit cards, individual and national). We probably should use less – should get used to a world where every generation is poorer than the one before it (at least if wealth is measured by the amount of stuff we have). There’s a billion people in China who don’t even have have a car yet, after all.

But it’s going to be mighty painful, for a country that’s used to each generation consuming more than the last.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 11, 2008 9:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

excellent points

and again, goldilocks’ just right is clearly best.

But at least with deflation you have a central-bank option to actively do something, even if you can’t print enough money. With inflation, all you can do is tighten the screws on growth.

As for growth — you are right that it can’t go on infinitely. However, judging from the state of efficiency at the companies I’ve worked for, we’ve got a looooooong way to go before we start hitting the wall.

Resources are that way, too. It takes fewer natural resources now to do things than it did in the 30s. A recycled aluminum can, build to modern thin specs, takes a lot fewer resources than the old heavy tin cans. Communications and computers have made a person’s time more efficient. So, we can do more with the same, or the same with less, than we used to. There’s little reason to think that technological advances will stop soon. That’s why I find it useful to compare GDP growth with productivity growth. They should match, and if they don’t, you are probably in a bubble (or financial crisis).

Very interesting point you make, though, about not being able to print enough money.

by bbjones on Oct 11, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or be like FDR and get us in a war

oh wait…

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Oct 8, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if only Tony Womack would try to take over Europe...

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 8, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cabrera sent down now a free agent?

did I hear that right?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Oct 8, 2008 8:54 PM EDT   0 recs

yep

he refused assignment. good for him…and us!

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 8, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't the correct headline be

Bak-bak-bak-bak-bako, gone!

I’m sorry to explode like that. It’s like no one’s ever worked on TV here before? I mean, jeezus!

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 8, 2008 8:58 PM EDT   0 recs

RR wants to know

Who’s Slyde voting for?

The shepherd will deliver the sheep to the pen.

by obc2 on Oct 8, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

me thinks the Slyder is an Obamaite

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Oct 8, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

seriously, if my opinion mattered that much

I wouldn’t be hanging out with you losers. :P

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 8, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

I myself will be writing in “None of the Above”

but maybe you could become like our spiritual guru or something

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Oct 8, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

obvious

Im voting Lincecum/Stubbs

by obc2 on Oct 8, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm voting for whoever can get Mark Ellis to play 2B and BP to play SS for the Reds next season

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 8, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you get my vote for mentioning it

I think Ellis can be had. Also.. go get Holiday from the Rockies

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Oct 8, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Write in Jocketty/Baker!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I refuse to do that

for fear that 50 million other people might do it too.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 8, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs