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The curious case of Micah Owings

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When the Reds traded Adam Dunn to the Arizona Diamondbacks on August 11, they didn't exactly get a king's ransom -- Dallas Buck, Wilkin Castillo and Micah Owings. But any haul that includes Owings has promise, because even if he fails as a pitcher, he's got a mighty bat to fall back on. 

Most poo-poo the idea of moving Owings to the outfield, saying his primary effectiveness is as a pitcher. Among th naysayers: Mark Sheldon of reds.com:

Where do the Reds envision Micah Owings playing for the upcoming season? Is he going to be a starting pitcher, or do they have any thoughts of turning him into an outfielder or first baseman to get him more playing time?
-- Kimberly K., Phoenix, Ariz.

Being from Arizona and watching him with the Diamondbacks, you've likely seen firsthand that Owings is a good hitter as far as pitchers go. But that's just his side job. His main gig is, and should remain, as a pitcher. It's not that easy to just switch him to regularly playing as a position guy. Rick Ankiel is the exception to the rule, not what usually happens. Owings had a hot start in 2008 and ran into a slump and a shoulder injury. It's far from being the end of the line for him as a pitcher. He will likely compete for the fifth starter's spot next spring, and I'd make him the early favorite to get it.

In his time in Cincinnati, Owings had four pinch-hit opportunities -- with two game-winning hits -- and didn't throw a single pitch due to that lingering shoulder injury. "It's crazy, isn't it? I've enjoyed it," Owings said at the end of the season. 

So why should Owings' 'main gig' necessarily remain as a pitcher?

Why does everyone dismiss Owings' ability to hit? In 116 major league at-bats, he has an OPS of .907 and 5 homers, in scattered appearances and without concentrating much on his swing. In the minors he held his own with a .354/.368/.492/.860 line in just 65 at bats.

As a junior back in Tulane, Owings went 12-4 with a 3.26 ERA in the rotation, then hit in the cleanup spot everyday, clubbing 18 home runs and throwing up a .355/.470/.719/1.189 line as a designated hitter. He was nearly as effective as a sophomore at Georgia Tech, hitting 15 homers while going 9-3.

So someone explain it to me. I get that most guys can't hit and pitch. But guess what: Some guys can. His big league pitching numbers are good (a 1.28 WHIP last year and about 7 K, 3 BB/game), but I doubt he develops into more than a No. 5 starter.

Not that that's bad. A good No. 5 is hard to find, and I hope he gets his shoulder healthy and has his best year as a pitcher yet, helping to solidify our rotation. He certainly has more room to catch on there in years to come than in left field, thanks to the corner-infield logjam created by Edwin Encarnacion, Joey Votto and Yonder Alonso. But I'm growing a little tired of the lack of creativity in the minds of baseball folks regarding Owings' hitting. No one is born a pitcher or hitter. His bat might still need some testing in the majors, but Owings certainly has the talent to play the game from either side of the plate.

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A couple of things

1) I agree with you wholeheartedly. Nearly every pitcher played SS/CF when they weren’t pitching. Why is that? Because they were the best athletes on the team. There’s no reason for thinking Ankiel’s some sort of miracle case other than “conventional baseball wisdom”, i.e. old people clinging to old ideas.

2) When did we get Digg/Facebook/Buzz tags?

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by jch24 on Oct 21, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

But... but...but...

What about a No. 5 pitcher who also provides a dangerous bat at the no. 9 spot in the batting order during each of his starts? That may make up for some his pitching deficiencies if he can drive in a run or two every third start. That would be the best case scenario in my mind. He is already a pinch hitter on the bench, even as the No. 5 starter, so his only value as a hitter is if he can win a starting position in the field outright. Where would that be?

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by TheC on Oct 21, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post

Love the picture – perfect!

I don’t think I’d want to look at Owings as an everyday option in LF, but I sure wouldn’t mind considering him as a serious RH pinch hitter off the bench and occasional OF starter. It gives the team more options. His versatility can be very valuable. I’d start him in the swing role out of bullpen and let him play the field from time to time. If the Reds decide to pick up a CF from outside the organization, then I’d even consider him as a part-time platoon choice with Dickerson in LF.

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by Slyde on Oct 21, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone ever do that with Darren Dreifort?

I remember him being touted as a hitter/pitcher combo that no one really knew what to do with.

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by jch24 on Oct 21, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Darren Dreifort?

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 21, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

34 OPS+!!!

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Oct 21, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

He sucked it up in the majors. I only remember people talking about him being a monster at Witchita St. This is all I could find, from goshockers.com:

Also a prolific hitter, he also earned second-team all-America honors as a utility player by Collegiate Baseball in 1993.

Wouldn’t be the first time my memory failed me. I swear, she was gorgeous!

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by jch24 on Oct 21, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between college and the pros is the schedule length.

Putting a guy on the mound every fifth day and on the field every other day is asking for a trip to the DL. I think we have two choices in Owings:

1) He clearly wins the spot as fifth starter and can also be used as a pinch hitter.

2) He is just as capable as another guy for the #5 spot in the rotation, he can then be used as the swing man and a bench opption for 1B and OF.

Of course with both scenarios, Owings is our DH when we hit the road for interleague play.

From his wikipedia page

Owings holds Georgia’s high school home run record with 69, fourth in the nation only to Drew Henson, Jeff Clement, and James Peterson.

by jacob brumfield on Oct 21, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree

i feel like it is asking a bit much to use a guy as a 5th starter and as a 5th outfielder over the course of a 162 game schedule. That will really take it out of his legs.

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by justin007000 on Oct 21, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally speaking, good pitching is more valuable to a team than good hitting, no? That is to say that every team is always looking for more pitching and more quality depth at pitching, right? Of course, you need good hitting too, but pitching is at a premium. I wonder if this is where folks like Sheldon are coming from in thinking of Owings’s primary role in the organization as a pitcher. Generally, I’d agree: if Owings can become a solid starting pitcher, then he may be more valuable in that capacity than in the field.

So why not seek to develop his talents as a pitcher as far as they might go and then, if they don’t appear to be panning out in a way that would benefit the big club, look to convert him to the field? After all, Ankiel only switched to the OF after realizing he’d never make it as a pitcher. Of course, I’m also assuming that it’s easier for a young and talented athlete to pick up a corner OF position than it is to pick up pitching.

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by ben nevis on Oct 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

sounds like a plan

but where is that line drawn? what is the definition of “more valuable in that (pitching) capacity than in the field”? what if he is a league average pitcher, around 100 ERA+? is that sufficiently valuable to trump what potential he may have a hitter? or is it better, say 110 ERA +?

all the evidence (regrettably, it is a bit scant) has shown that he is pretty much an animal at the plate. one could speculate his potential there is around an .850 OPS. or is it more like .900? this an incredible problem to have for sure. unfortuately, it would be very difficult to test him at both ends before making an informed decision. in fact, its probably impossible. it will be interesting to see how it works out. i like him either way.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 21, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a sabr-idiot...

So is there a concrete way of making this kind of evaluation between a player in the field vs. on the mound? Get out your light-sabr’s and help us. You’re our only hope!

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by ben nevis on Oct 21, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to say

because playing time plays a big part into value, but Andy Sonnanstine and Scott Olsen both pitched around 200 innings with an ERA+ right at 100 (actually 99 for Olsen). According to Justin’s system, they both put up about 24 runs above replacement level. Two outfielders who put up 600+ PAs and were around 24 runs above replacement were Chris Young with the Dbacks and Jermaine Dye with the White Sox. They both did it differently though as Young played solid defense in CF and posted a .758 OPS while Dye played shaky defense in RF while posting an .884 OPS. Since Owings is more likely to play a corner spot and probably not be great defensively, I think it’s safe to say that he would have to seriously mash in order to be as valuable as a league average pitcher.

BTW, this is clearly a very crude comparison. But I think it does show how much more valuable average pitching is than average hitting.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 21, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, but

200 IP is a pretty high threshold – each of those guys had the 2nd most IP on their team. I think that’s one of those things you can’t count on, especially since (1) he’s likely fighting for the 5th spot in the rotation, and (2) he’s coming off an injury.

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by sidnancy on Oct 21, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not my point

my point is that a full season from a league average pitcher is much more valuable than a full season from a league average outfielder. Or more realistically, what level of performance would Owings have to be as a hitter to match being an average pitcher? I think the answer is that he’d have to be a pretty damn good hitter since we wouldn’t expect his defense to be that great. I don’t see that happening in 2009.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 21, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying

And don’t think I’m advocating the move.

I just think that with what this team has, and what it needs, trying to turn Owings into a OF has a much higher than zero percent chance of happening.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Oct 21, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say he's more likely an .800 OPS guy

.900 would put him in the top 15 of all hitters in the league and .850 is still nearly top 50. Without him going to the minors and putting a solid year in at the plate, I’d have a hard time believing that he’d be much more than an average hitter over the course of an entire season. Not that he couldn’t do it with some practice, but I don’t see it happening in 2009 and committing him to doing it is a pretty big risk.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 21, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was really just spitballing with those numbers

my point being that its hard to say A) what kind of numbers he will put up as a pitcher; B) what kind of numbers he could put up as a hitter; and C) which would be more valuable in comparison to the other. its pretty hard to figure out future performance of players, especially young pitchers and guys with only a few pro ABs. Owings is both of these.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 21, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya know, I was thinking about the same thing recently

I look at it this way:

The Dunn trade was a joke. I mean, really, a pitcher who’s no better than 3 other 5th starters already in the system; a guy coming off injury; a C/OF who isn’t really that good; and $2M cash for Adam Freakin’ Dunn??? The only way this starts to make sense is if Jockety sees Rick Ankiel v.2.

Unless they make a big move for a COF this offseason, I really really think they’ll give Owings every opportunity to be the LF next year.

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by sidnancy on Oct 21, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

so a sex offender moved in down the street

got the sherrif’s notice and everything.

Slyde please move out of Ada.

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by justin007000 on Oct 21, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

green'd

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 22, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually I wasnt thinking the exact opposite

I was shocked the Reds were able to save 2 million/ receive a prospect like Micah Owings and a couple interesting throw ins for a 40 day rental on Dunn.
Not as good as the insanity of the White Sox trading for Griffey- but Jockety did a nice job with both trades.

by davidmac84 on Oct 21, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

crazy old bitch

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by justin007000 on Oct 21, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, you be nice to bubbafan

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Oct 21, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love old people.

She is probably one of those “Hitler was good in the beginning, but went too far” kind of crazy old ladies.
Man I miss Marge.

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by snohio on Oct 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure we got some players....

Great Castillo is felxible and young, sure Owings is a big pickup and could be a great pitcher in this league, sure Dallas Buck will probably never be good but has a catchy Texas name…….

But Adam Dnn could donkey punch a bitch in the 12 row…..that says something about the man.

by Reynard on Oct 21, 2008 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I think there's more here

First, I miss Adam.

Secondly, Buck was a player the Braves wanted for Texiera (sp?), he was also first round material until concerns about his elbow prompted him to slide, and he’s about 2 to 3 years from MLB….in other words he may the steal of the trade.

Lastly, Owings has a pretty good slider and throws in the mid-90’s (according to BP). For that reason I submit he may be a lot better than a number 5 starter (dare I say Matt Garza? I won’t dare, but I just did). Since, there is no possible way Edison averages 7 hits per nine innings next year and the probability is that Johnny Cueto’s tiny body will shatter when he’s asked to pitch another 170+ innings, Owings could become VERY important to my summer. i think, Harang bounces back, and the healthy Owings could really solidify a top 3 in the rotation with Arroyo the 4th starter, and a collection of serviceable stiffs battling for the fifth.

Still, the reds could always make happy by acquiring these two pitchers and re-signing Adam

by timb116 on Oct 22, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

hi

hello
and welcome

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by justin007000 on Oct 22, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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