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By now some of you have heard about the free concert given by Cincinnati's own - and my second favorite band - The National on Thursday in support of the next President of the United States.  The National and Dayton's own The Breeders will be playing from 5-8pm on Fountain Square.

We need a LARGE turnout here to show SW Ohio that we are serious about change.  And even if you want more of the same, come by and listen to two awesome bands (one more awesomer than the other) (yes, I know awesomer isn't a word) play live FOR FREE in Cincy.

My god, do I love this band.  They're like the Second Coming of Bono.  Seriously, seriously, seriously, if you want change, send this info and kidnap all of your friends and take them to Fountain Square on Thursday.  Seriously, because like, seriously, you could support a candidate, but if you don't lift a finger for your candidate, he might lose.  Also, HAVE YOU VOTED YET?  Do it.  But also inform your friends, family, enemies, coworkers, bartenders, and neighbors about this event.  Seriously.

Hear them here.

Info about the rally here.

My bet is they save Mr. November for last.  Barack won't fuck us over, he's Mr. November.

My other bet is that they are trying their best to get Barack on the stage on Thursday.  He will be, after all, debating in Toledo Wednesday night.

Seriously, come.  If you are between Sidney and Cincy, I will personally come to your house with my car whose muffler seems to be falling off even though it's a 2002 model and drive you in my unairconditioned car all the way to Cincinnati although you have to find your own way back unless you live between Springboro and Cincy.  (Story not interesting.)

If you are coming, let's hook up for a beer or ten.

Seriously.

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i would love to

but i have class at from noon, till 9 with a few breaks.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

you could skip a class to save the world. come on! ;)

by Daedalus on Oct 13, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

since the whole academic world is “liberal,” they’ll let you go. that’s what i’ve heard, anyway.

give me the name of your professors, and i’ll call them to cancel class.

seriously.

by Daedalus on Oct 13, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously i went to the convention

worked security at teh pepsi center and Invesco, I think i helped save the world. Does he have any other Ohio events?

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's been in ohio all week

the debate is in toledo.

he’s been knocking on doors in toledo suburbs! i’m sure he’ll be back in the next three weeks – but he can’t ignore florida or virginia or even – gasp! – north carolina.

i missed the free springsteen concert in columbus last week because i was moving uc students from campus to the polls. i could have just skipped it and now wish i had gone.

isn’t it funny – we have springsteen, the national, and other great musicians. they have ted nugent. (even toby keith is a democrat and an obama supporter.)

by Daedalus on Oct 13, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm guessing he will be back in 4 yearrs

if i am still here in 4 years.

He has this puppy wrapped up.

www.fivethirtyeight.com

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

around here we call that

“justin’d”

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 14, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find it fascinating

I’ve always considered Cincinnati a relatively conservative area, and I figure’d that a blog in support of its main team would’ve been a good cross-section of the city. But RR is like, overwhelmingly liberal, no?

Why is that? Is Cincy actually liberal and I’m wrong? Or is this blog just randomly more liberal than the city itself? I know that theres a lot of expats and non-SWOhioans here, but I still think its sort of bizarre.

Theories?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 13, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

also:

what does SIS mean, anyways?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 13, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SIS means Syphilis is Serious

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About SIS

This is a serious blog, seriously, and the issues we discuss reflect that.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Oct 13, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so mine wasn't right?

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, yours is right too

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Oct 13, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my experience

People on the internet lean liberal. Not all mind you, but a much larger percentage. Think of your average Republican – mid 50s white dude that barely knows how to use email, much less belong to an active online community.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 13, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think you got it here

add to that the fact that RR is very radical, in baseball terms. the sabr stuff is the soup du jour here, and it flies in the face of baseball common knowledge. we are revolutionaries in baseball analysis. there is nothing more liberal than flipping off the establishment.

also, can we write a manifesto for the wiki?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 13, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

youkili of the world

you-nite. You have nothing to lose but your AVG.

by bbjones on Oct 13, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm rec'ing this post because the RR manifesto is an awesome idea

And because your point is spot on.

New school baseball thinking → RR → liberal bias
Old school baseball thinking → 700WLW → ridiculous conservative bias

Seems like we’re the anti-700. Neat.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Oct 13, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And on the flip side

think of your average liberal, jobless under 25, and spends on his time surfing the web and whining on blogs . . . since we’re being fair and unbiased, I mean.

by Brian B on Oct 13, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the flip side, to be sure

Even if they’re not jobless they’re typically in a lower paying job and mad at “the old guard” because they have the all important “stuff”. (I looked for the old SNL clip of “I want stuff! Where’s my stuff??” but couldn’t find it in the 4 seconds my attention span allotted, sorry.)

Personally I don’t consider myself a Democrat or Republican. Both sides have views on issues that appeal to my beliefs. I try to weigh one candidate versus another and pick the one who best represents me regardless of party affiliation.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 14, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

This time, I’m voting “none of the above.”

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 14, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truly Melanie Hutsell's high point

I was looking for that clip the other day. SNL is working on launching a site with their full archives so we can wait for that.

by Red Menace on Oct 15, 2008 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I spent about a month in the area over a decade ago

I did it while traveling to a dozen or so states doing field political work. I spoke to thousands of individuals along the way and the area was somewhat eye popping in its conservatism.

by ol Pete on Oct 13, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cincinnati is very conservative

Get out of the urban area and into the imediate suburbs such as Delhi, Western Hills, etc, you will find some of the most Conservative people. Southwest Ohio tipped Ohio, and the Electoral College for George Bush 4 years ago. That is why Paul Hackett’s close raise with Jean Schmidt a few years ago was so stunning.

PS I wanted Hacket to run for Senate so baddly, I was kinda pissed when the powers that be pushed him out.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schmidt's not racing anyone any time soon

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 13, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

REC'D

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a somewhat political thread, right?

I just voted here.

This was the result:

Mind numbing, really.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 13, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Behold.

Link (SFW)

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Oct 13, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody voted "not sure"?

That’s what I find really astonishing.

There’s probably political blogs on both sides stuffing the ballot boxes on this one.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 14, 2008 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Breeders vs. The National

Daedalus, watch this video for the Breeders’ cover of Shocker in Gloomtown and reassess.

by Brendanukkah on Oct 13, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just for fun

ONE

TWO

THREE (For the people who play the Obama/Osama angle)

NOTE: None of these are my creation, I’m not nearly that funny.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 13, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

coolio

I thought it was extremely classy for McCain to state that Obama was a good man. Granted, he got booed at his own rally…but that took some stones. If this was Y2K version of McCain it would be a no brainer. But, 8 years of W is the slipperiest slope to climb ive ever seen.

Palin delivers an excellent prewritten speech, no doubt about it. Uh, she struggles, to say the least, ad hoc-ing intelligent answers to unexpected questions. is there a country in america that would hire her as CEO? beep. beep. beep. is there a Fortune 500 company that would hire her as marketing director? beep. beep. beep.

she’s flatline.

(and im a registered Republican.)

I cant see how Obama isnt the next President. I about died hearing on WLW today how people “somewhere” all misread the Obama Biden political signs for “Obama Bin Ladin”. Really? And we let those fuckas vote?!?

by obc2 on Oct 13, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re

McCain’s defense of Obama was really weird in one respect. The woman said Obama was an Arab (she probably meant Muslim) and McCain interrupted to say no, Obama is a good man (i.e. not Arab?). He just really should have thrown in a “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

by Red Menace on Oct 13, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he didn't mean anything by it

he knew that she was equating arab with terrorist. in the minds of the ignorant, they are one in the same.

by Daedalus on Oct 14, 2008 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is from ohio

www.fivethirtyeight.com

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 13, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

seriously

how do you respond to something like that?

what’s gonna happen when he wins, this baby murdering muslim?

by Daedalus on Oct 14, 2008 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been wondering that myself

And also how the Obama faithful will react if he loses.

Either way, I think this will end up a very divisive election. Even more than usual, I mean.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 14, 2008 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think the former is going to be a problem

unless something huge happens Obama wins.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 14, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which means

if he loses, they’ll blame

1) racism/the Bradley effect

or

2) voting shenanigans

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 14, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am ok with blaiming it on racism

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 14, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds racist!

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 14, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about

a sign that says “Fuck You, you willfully ignorant member of the unsilent majority.”

Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!

by Pops Daniels on Oct 15, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yesterday I had to drive up to Lebanon Ohio

Between Cincy and Lebanon and including Lebanon I counted something like 5 Yard signs for Obama and approximately 45 for McCain. My cousins all live in Auglaize County and they are so in love with Sarah! that it makes me want to puke. There are no black people living in their world…they are terrified at the idea of a Negro winning. Yep, this election is going to be groundbreaking and extremely divisive, at least if Obama wins.

I won’t be able to go to fountain square – it is, after all bowling night. However I expect that Mrs. M will be there…she’s truly a commie liberal Democrat.

Meanwhile here’s another Sarah Yard Sign – all perception, no substance

Sgt. McCAin and Sarah The Impaler don't scare me none.

by Madville on Oct 14, 2008 7:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yard signs

this election, yard signs are no measurement.

1. here in sidney, there were a ton of obama signs up until this past weekend when nearly all of them seemed to be stolen. this has been quite common across the country in this election.

2. the obama campaign doesn’t spend much money on yard signs and they are extremely scarce. same goes for buttons and stickers. the campaign is spending all of its money on television advertising. a lot of people have purchased those home button maker machines to make their own. to get a bumper sticker from democrats.com has taken weeks for some people. glad i got mine in january.

3. some people are afraid to put obama signs out, whether for fear of them being stolen, their houses getting vandalized, or because they don’t want their neighbors to know they’re voting for “the black guy.” this is particularly prevalent in the south and in conservative towns.

i’m willing to bet there are a lot of signless yards between lebanon and cincy that are votes for obama come nov 4. my longwinded point is that i don’t believe it’s going to be divisive at all but the opposite. i think it will finally give us the real race dialogue we need rather than the PC race card stuff we always hear about.

but what does an optimist like me really know?

by Daedalus on Oct 14, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i stole my signs from the convention

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 14, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't you go to Downtown Sidney:

Go to the Spot on a Saturday morning from 8:30am – 2:00pm and take an exit poll of who is voting for whom. Betcha I know who the winner is by Golly….

Sgt. McCAin and Sarah The Impaler don't scare me none.

by Madville on Oct 14, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh i love the Spot.

I stop there on my trips between hamilton and ada. Their pie is amazing.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 14, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

538 did the definitive piece on yard signs this cycle
Listen.

Organizers – the people out there killing themselves to win this election – hate yard signs with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns.

Barack Obama’s organizers hate them. John McCain’s organizers hate them. It’s because yard signs don’t vote – but they do generate a ridiculous amount of complaining that must be patiently listened to. Until yard signs sprout little legs and go to the polls on Election Day, in a presidential election with universal name recognition they are just a nice little decoration.

link

by Red Menace on Oct 15, 2008 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God this article perfectly understands gets my opinions on campaign crap

At least 20 times a day, someone will come into one of my offices and ask for yardsigns, bumper stickers, etc. Then, after I tell them that I have to personally buy all that crap because the campaign rarely supplies it, they get all pissy and leave. Less than 5% of all the people that come in actually ask what they can do to help. A higher percentage of the walk0ins come in to tell me that there’s a special place in hell for those working for the Antichrist. Invariably, as soon as I get 50 signs in, they get stolen or sprayed with “KKK” 24 hours later. Then these people get more indignant as to why I don’t have more fucking signs.

Anyway, I just don’t get the hate in this race. I’m trying as hard as I can to run a positive campaign out here and half the population of the town I’m in wants me dead. I completely respect the other side, and get told I’m the problem with America 15 times a day. This country is just too god damn polarized right now. It’s driving me insane.

So, sorry that was a rant encompassing both yardsigns and intolerance. I’m just at the end of my string and have no one to shout it to out here

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Oct 17, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's the reason I don't discuss it

Not with coworkers, family, and damn sure not with strangers. If they ask, I’m Switzerland.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 17, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sometimes when i don't give people the button i wear everyday and that i bought

they kind of get mad. yeah, i’m sick of people asking for stuff, too.

there’s a lot of tension in rural and industrial ohio. personally, i was flipped off in a store the other day when a guy saw my button. but i can’t imagine what it’s like in a red state, esp the south. well, i guess i can imagine – i just have to get out a history book to see what can happen.

this is even more reason to stay involved once we win. if barack fails to be a good president, it is just going to add fuel to the fires of racism.

by Daedalus on Oct 17, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohio you say?

Check this puppy out.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 17, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i saw that

i still can’t believe it

by Daedalus on Oct 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

osama bin laden?

i’ve seen signs against his candidacy.

by Daedalus on Oct 14, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is insane

Found this on reddit earlier and I can’t believe it, honestly.

While hesitant to post it, the person responsible should be told a million times over how much of a douche he/she is.

This is why I fear for America’s future. (Possibly NSFW in the wrong setting)

I can’t seem to find the original posting on his site, but here’s his follow-up masterpiece.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 14, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'll never work

A good hangman’s noose has seven coils. Pfft, amateur.

by Brendanukkah on Oct 14, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

MOMA is in Midtown, not Chelsea.

by Brendanukkah on Oct 14, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this time I thought that MOMA was in NYC

Sgt. McCAin and Sarah The Impaler don't scare me none.

by Madville on Oct 14, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel your pain:

I’m a registered Republican, moderate on economy, conservative on big business and big government but quite liberal on social issues. However it is true that liberals are all baby killing commie pinko athiest fags who hate America – I mean my wife is a registered Democrat.!!!..Seriously TT anyone with half a brain would agree that whoever the next President is – turns out to the greatest president in the history of our Country.

Sgt. McCAin and Sarah The Impaler don't scare me none.

by Madville on Oct 14, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd TT

The thing that annoys me about politics are the folks who are so dead-set on a political party. What sucks about this upcoming election is no matter the outcome there will be a large group of pissed off people. And they will likely stay pissed for the next 4 years. Just plain silly.

I’m not a huge fan of either canidate, or even either party right now. But I would have to give Obama the slight edge, just because his election would immediately restore a lot of strained international relations from the Bush administration. All of you do realize that everyone outside of the U.S. hates the U.S., right? Oh, and I’m quitting if we go to war with Iran, probably sneaking across the mexican border to become a cactus farmer.

Myself, well I guess I would be a holier than thou commie who voted for boobs.

by jacob brumfield on Oct 14, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am definitely voting for boobs

I don’t want to hijack Daedalus’ thread, but if anyone’s dying to know why, my reasons are here,

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 14, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

personally

I think the 2 party system has some major major flaws. Think of the amount of time our country’s leaders actually waste bickering with each other over partty politics. I for one can’t stand even paying attention to the election because of the amount of crap that gets thrown around, it just feels like a huge waste of my time. I wish it would change, but sadly it won’t.

by sharks on Oct 14, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something to add about the problem with politics as usual:

I would also add that as an organizer, I am wary of presidential elections because they generate a lot of energy and political consciousness for a few months and then one candidate wins and another loses and most people collect there yard signs and scrape off their bumper stickers and go back to their normal lives.

We have a philosophy in the organizing school where I work here in Santo Domingo that reminds us to avoid organizing people solely for the sake of having activities, workshops, or other events. On the other hand, we focus on how we can use activities, workshops, and events to organize people.

The point is that elections tend to be an attempt by each side to mobilize and grow their base in order for their candidate to end up victorious on election day. On November 5, the main purpose of people being mobilized will end and the energy behind that movement will also dissipate.

The issues that are important in this election- health care for everybody, jobs that take care of and mean something to the people that do them, violence free communities and nations, education that teaches us to think and not just repeat- are not just important every four years but are important everyday of the year. The energy and collective action needed to address these issues thus needs to be daily energy and daily collective action.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Oct 14, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting comment

One thing I hope is different with Obama is that the energy will continue past his election. Though it certainly won’t be as intense, with Obama’s community organizing background, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him continue to try and tap the grassroots to help him govern as well. He has alluded to this many times in his stump speech – certainly during the primary he would say it. The campaign doesn’t end on election day. He needs all his supporters to stay engaged and help him pass meaningful legislation. We will see…….

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Oct 15, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the energy in this campaign

was started years ago. i think there is genuinely a renewed interested in involvement. i met a heck of a lot of people on the dean campaign who were getting involved for the first time in 2003 who have remained involved in all the time since then.

by Daedalus on Oct 16, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also Wholeheartedly Agreed

People need to start giving a shit in this country once again regardless of party affiliation. That’s how progress is made, since Congress is keenly aware of the feelings of its constituencies.

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Oct 17, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Screw the cactus

Agave’s the way to go!

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 15, 2008 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wholeheartedly agreed

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Oct 17, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably can't make it

to Fountain Square, but I’ll be with ya in spirit. I’ve been quite obsessed with this election and, for the first time ever, I donated money to an individual campaign.

You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris

by cesarhernandez on Oct 14, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pay no attention to that man on the soap box!

But since everyone else is doing it . . .

I’m Republican. and I’ve voted for every Republican since I’ve been able to vote (a month after Dole ran). I’m definitely voting for Obama this year. And I’m definitely sure that McCain is a complete asshole. A hero for sure, but a complete asshole.

Agree or disagree with his “policies” and “plans,” Obama should make more Americans more confident about themselves and their country. He’ll still tax us more, and some plans will end up doing more harm than good . . . but at least they will shake this stale country up a little and make us look at things with a differnent perspective.

If you support Obama, then please let me on your bandwagon. However, can I beg you to stop accusing Republicans of being racist pigs, ignorant assholes who don’t know the difference between Obama and Osama (there’s a big difference between having a double-take of a Obama-Biden sign and truly thinking that Osama bin Laden is running for president), thieves who steal Obama campaign signs, and lunatics who spend all day in front of the White House with signs who “accuse” Obama of being a Muslim baby killer? Do you seriously think the country is made up of the kind of people that the tabloid network and cable news channels make us out to be?

If you support Obama, SURPRISE! YOU’RE WINNING! You don’t need to hit the panic button and start riots by painting a false picture of what “McCain voters” look like. McCain is losing and will naturally start throwing sticks, stones, the kitchen sink, and whatever else he’s got left. Please take the high road, okay?

by Brian B on Oct 15, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some of my Libertarian Friends are also voting for Obama

Although I disagree with the thinking. “McCain is not conservative enough for us, so lets vote for a guy who is going to keep the same bad system we have in place.”

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on Oct 16, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the Libertarian logic would be

that either way, we are stuck with the same bad system. At the least, Obama is likely to be less of a war-monger than McCain. Libertarians hate the Iraq war. Libs also don’t care much for the evangelical christian super conservative wing of the Republican Party. Church-State separation is a big one for Libs

You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris

by cesarhernandez on Oct 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Lets not forget Obama did vote for more spending and troops in Afghanistan. Myself and other true conservatives do not agree with any of his policies as well. Since i’m still young and an idealist I can’t vote for the “lesser of two evils”.

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on Oct 22, 2008 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a former Harry Browne voter

I feel compelled to speak up. In my experience most true Libertarians (or third party voters in general) refuse to play the lesser of two evils game. I know some who cast “gum up the system” votes, trying to keep the two parties equal so that nothing can get done (Libertarians want nothing more than their government to do nothing). This is akin to providing arms to a Middle Eastern country fighting a more powerful Middle Eastern country in order to keep the region “stable.” I also knew someone who simply voted against all incumbents. Cincinnatus would be proud.

And Zach, I object to your characterization of McCain not being conservative enough for Libertarians. Libertarians reject the one-dimensional view of politics as a continuum from Left to Right, preferring a two-dimensional model.

All that said my Libertarian ideals are suffering a great crisis right now. This hit particularly close to home:

The best thing you can say about libertarians is that because their views derive from abstract theory, they tend to be highly principled and rigorous in their logic.

…The worst thing you can say about libertarians is that they are intellectually immature, frozen in the worldview many of them absorbed from reading Ayn Rand novels in high school. Like other ideologues, libertarians react to the world’s failing to conform to their model by asking where the world went wrong.

by Red Menace on Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think what i like most about Libertarians

is you never can tell they are one unless they tell you. they’re quite a wily bunch. i never would have expected you Menace.

and the quote from Slate is so dead on. my condolences.

"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 22, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vote Cthulhu

Why vote for a lesser evil?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 22, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok you might have to dumb this down for me

but I don’t understand why you brought up the two dimensional model? McCain is not conservative though and you can look at his voting record to see that. I don’t think I even mentioned the right of the left though.

That article was a tough read but I think the website Campaign for Liberty is one the author Jacob Weisberg should check out. The Austrian School of Economics sides with Libertarians and True Republicans outlook on the economy. Some younger libertarians are obviously just a libertarian because they want drugs to be legalized but we have that in every party.

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on Oct 23, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

I think I just assumed the right-left thing when you said “McCain is not conservative enough for us.” I wanted to challenge the thinking that Libertarians are more conservative (or farther right) than Republicans. Traditionally there’s been a “Libertarian wing” of the Republican party, but since I’ve been of voting age the Republicans have been so wack on social issues that I can’t imagine breaking bread with them. My first vote was for McCain in the 2000 Ohio primary.

by Red Menace on Oct 23, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey now now

Things couldn’t possibly get that bad with the country.

Could they?

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 16, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Tough one. I am expecting things to get really bad. Like, starving in the streets bad.

But Corey Patterson bad?

I gotta think about that one….

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 16, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have supported your Corey Patterson for Prez campaign

… but we already cut him, so we don’t need to go to those lengths, thank goodness.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Oct 16, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you would have to change the Constitution.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 16, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The framers of the Constitution where wise in their foresight

when they declared that the Leader of the Free World should have an OBP over .300.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 16, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Barack, look out behind you!

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Oct 16, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John got jungle fever?

Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!

by Pops Daniels on Oct 16, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks more like schizophrenia to me.

"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Oct 16, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that has to be photoshopped, right?

right?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 16, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, no

The tagline from the yahoo news photo:

US Republican presidential nominee Senator John McCain (R-AZ) reacts to almost heading the wrong way off the stage after shaking hands with Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) at the conclusion of the final presidential debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, October 15, 2008. REUTERS/Jim Bourg (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 16, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was motioning to Bob Schieffer

McCain did one of those little dances where you don’t know which way to go in trying to get around Schieffer’s desk to shake his hand. Afterwards he did this little “How are we doing this? Blah!” move that’s captured there. On TV he was facing the camera and it was kind of humanizing or endearing. But it looks bizarre from that angle as a still frame.

by Red Menace on Oct 16, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we want to show that we want real change

Why would we vote for either of these guys?

Also Joe Plummer won the debate last night.

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on Oct 16, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

is that Jake Plummer's brother?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 16, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what about Joe Strummer?

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Oct 16, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Joe Strummer's deaf."

Joe Strummer’s dead, you little twerp!

“I guess that’s why… he didn’t move around last night.”

by Brendanukkah on Oct 16, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Plummer was on MSNBC this morning

he was a fucking idiot. He said something to the effect of America going to Iraq is like Jesus for Chirstians.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was a great show!

i’ve never been in the front row of a concert before. and this was for my second favorite band!

by Daedalus on Oct 16, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really sorry that I didn't get to fountain square tonight...BUT

I did make it to the lanes and we whooped up on the so-called competition…plus my teammates and I drank several rounds in Daedalus’ honor’..even though they have no idea what was going on…their hearts were in the right place.

BTW Joe the Plumber was a Sgt. McCain plant!!!!

Sgt. McCAin and Sarah The Impaler don't scare me none.

by Madville on Oct 17, 2008 12:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some McCain fun

I didn’t come up with any of these and some are just mean, but i got a chuckle on some.

Here

"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Oct 17, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And some Palin fun (not that kind)

Here

"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Oct 17, 2008 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think November 4th we should have an Election Thread

That could be great fun. I’m not liberal but I like to discuss politics.

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on Oct 17, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fascist!

“7 letters, ‘form of government involving extreme statism.’”
“Oh, that would be ‘fascism’.”

anyone know the movie?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 17, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hot fuzz. HAG.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Oct 17, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Everyone and their mums are packin' round 'ere."

“Like who?”
“Farmers.”
“Who else?”
“Farmers’ mums.”

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Oct 17, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I didn't mean to upset the apple cart."

"Oh yeah, cause we all sell apples round ‘ere, don’t we? "
"Your dad sells apples, Andy. "
"And raspberries. "

by Red Menace on Oct 17, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great movie!

I want to see that “how to lose your friends” movie. I’m too poor to see it in theaters though.

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on Oct 17, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw "Run Fat Boy, Run" on an airplane

it was pretty brutally awful. Good use of The Fratellis, though.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Oct 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely agree

Will be a very interesting night. I don’t think this is gonna be the blowout people think it will be. My gut feeling is that McCain is gonna win Ohio, Florida, Nevada, Indiana, and West Virginia. Obama will get the other Big 10 states and New Mexico. That leaves Colorado, Virginia, and North Carolina (which is really shaping up the be the closest race in the country) with McCain needing to run it to win. He’ll get NC barely, but not the other two. Just my opinion.

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Oct 17, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last time someone did something on a gut feeling

we got putin’s babysitter inciting intolerance.

i put faith in nate’s numbers. he does a pretty good job with his baseball numbers, anyway.

by Daedalus on Oct 17, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that like saying "penis-having man!"?

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 17, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

shit

/reply’d

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 17, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My son voted for McCain

I’m not sure what to make of that.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 19, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn

you have a son of voting age?

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Oct 19, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

He’s 7 and in the second grade. I’m 31 going on 14, FWIW. You don’t remember “voting” in the presidential elections as a kid?

Obama won overall.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 19, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Kids Voting! I remember that

Apparently you’ve done a good job of conveying your age through RR. I had you pegged at 30, FWIW

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Oct 19, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

voting in 3rd grade

we voted for Perot. i was a Bush1 supporter in that one, but Perot won our class pretty easily. probably because they were all so short.

"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 19, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perot

I think Perot won EVERY school election (including mine in Milford.) I guess that is why we don’t let kids vote.

"Patterson, Keppinger, Bako.... Cream of the Suck" -Slyde

by snohio on Oct 20, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as a fifth grader

i was one of three people in the class to vote for perot…

i don’t remember who actually won the class election, but ross came in a distant third

by chandrathan on Oct 20, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was in fourth grade for teh 96 election

and i was the only person who voted for Nader.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 20, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perot won mine too.

He won 9-8 over Bush.

Yeah, I went to a very lage school. Incidentally, that was the last year that school was in existence. We were later merged with a larger local school. Larger being I ended up graduating with 65.

"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Oct 20, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Supposedly

The kids’ poll results are a good indicator of how the election will turn out.

I graduated in a class of 26 myself.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Oct 20, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ingrade school Ivoted for 'IKE'

Sgt. McCAin and Sarah The Impaler don't scare me none.

by Madville on Oct 20, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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