Community Projection: Edwin Encarnacion

Edwin Encarnacion has been something of a sore point for me the past three years. The Reds have jerked him around quite a bit, never seeming satisfied with his production, and never fully committing to him at third base. I think this year will finally put an end to all of that.
Everyone will remember that the Reds sent him down to AAA in 2007 following a slow start. In hindsight it's possible that the Reds did the right thing (he came back and played well the rest of the season), or maybe Encarnacion would have bounced back anyway, but regardless of whether the Reds should have sent him down he still gave us all a lot to look forward to in 2008. If the Reds have a shot at the playoffs this year, they'll need some of their younger players to play better than they ever have to date, and I think EdE is one of the guys we can most reasonably expect to improve.
Encarnacion hit .309/.360/.488 in the second half of 2007, and I don't think that kind of line is outside the realm of possibility for him in 2008. He's still only 25 years old, and while it's just a gut feeling, I think he's finally getting used to playing at the major league level.
I am going to project him at .315/.365/.485, with 21 home runs, 90 RBI, 12 stolen bases, and 152 games played. I'm fully willing to admit that it's an optimistic projection, but I've been a big Encarnacion fan since he first came up, and I've always thought he was underrated. Remember, this is a guy who was ALWAYS ranked behind Andy Marte, despite similar or better numbers. I won't complain too much about it, because Marte is a couple of years younger, it just always confused me that Encarnacion never seemed to generate any hype at all. It has certainly worked out though, and the Reds oughta be set at third base for the next few years.
I am also going to project that Encarnacion stays at third base for 2008. It simply doesn't make sense to move him to first base when the Reds already have Joey Votto and Adam Dunn (should Votto be traded) to play first. I realize that Dunn supposedly will never play first, but I'd definitely rather see him over there and out of left field than Encarnacion moving to first.
What do you guys think of Encarnacion for 2008?
Leave your projection for AVG/OBP/SLG / HR / RBI / SB / Games, and add commentary saying why you feel that way, and also toss in if you think Encarnacion will finish out the year at third.
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EdE needs to know that he can have a bad streak
BA .285 with 30 home runs, 95 RBI, 5 stolen bases, and 150 games played. After last season he's shown the ability to have this kind of year.I do not think that he'll hit for much higher of an average than 285 because he needs to be in a slot in the line up to break up the lefty brigade - he could be back at the 4 hole and be required to drive the ball and hit for more power.Besides we don't want him clogging up the bases with walks and singles. Plus I see continued strong and even more improved defense from Encarnacion as well. I look for a great year from EdE.
by Madville on
Jan 16, 2008 11:41 PM EST
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if i make less since then usual
I am guessing he hits about .310 or so. He steals about 10 bases, you know not a threat but enought to think about. I think he puts up about 25 HR's, and gets about 95 RBI's. I am also guessing he makes about 15 errors.
I think he becomes a decent force in the lineup. 25 homeruns is great, because we know Adam Dunn will hit 40, and Griffey may hit about 30 if healthy, and Phillips will hit about 20 HR's. I kinda of think he and PHillips will put up similar offensive numbers.
by justin0070000 on
Jan 17, 2008 12:09 AM EST
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Here we go
by dougdirt on
Jan 17, 2008 12:51 AM EST
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.267 9 hr 55 rbi
by buckeye22fox on
Jan 17, 2008 1:20 AM EST
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.268, 7HRs 60RBI 12 Errors
by Zach K on
Jan 17, 2008 6:18 AM EST
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Always the optomist Zach
If Encarnacion develops into a strong and consistent force does this mean that he gets on the 'Zach' list of crummy players?
by Madville on
Jan 17, 2008 10:01 AM EST
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Fine 9 HRs
by Zach K on
Jan 18, 2008 8:05 AM EST
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I hear 9 - anyone give me 11 ?
by Madville on
Jan 18, 2008 9:07 AM EST
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.290/.360/.485 21 HR 82 RBI 6 SB 140 G
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Jan 17, 2008 8:09 AM EST
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Reasons for optimism and concern
My two concerns have to do with some dropping rates. His walk rate dropped from 9.2% in 2006 to 7.2% in 2007. If he can regain some patience at the plate, that will go a long way towards boosting his other numbers as well. He doesn't need to be a walk machine like Dunn, but I start to get concerned if a player's walk rate drops into the 6s or lower, especially if they tend to strikeout on occasion.
My other concern is that his line drive rate also dropped last year to 18% (from 21%). The small drop with EdE concerns me a bit more than with a typical player because I think he is more of a doubles hitter than a HR hitter. I think his goal should be 40 doubles rather than 30 HR. If he can hit 40 doubles in a season, then I think he is making the most of his talent (I think the same thing about Brandon Phillips). In a park like GABP, swinging for doubles could still net you 20+ HR, and if EdE can manage 60 extra base hits while batting 4th or 5th, the Reds will be in good shape.
I've made this comparison multiple times, but I see EdE as very comparable to Tony Perez. He may not have as much power as Perez (and I don't think EdE is a future hall of famer), but if you put some runners on base in front of him, he will knock in 100 runs every year. I also hope this comparison is true because Tony Perez busted out in 1967 at the age of 25. Hopefully, EdE can do the same.
I think Dusty Baker will be good for EdE. Players generally like playing for Dusty, and I think EdE has enough experience to be past the supposed threat of Dusty not playing youngsters. I look for him to put up good numbers:
.287/.351/.483 with 24 HR, 102 RBI, and 6 SB in 155 games.
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 9:04 AM EST
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The Slyder speaks
Anyway, that being said, I look for EdE to continue hitting like he did in the second half of 07. The key to me is that he at least looks like he has a clue playing 3rd base now. In April last year he didn't and it effected his whole game. I agree at this point it makes no sense to move him across the diamond, which I have advocated in the past, with Votto there.
I predict a break out year:
.305/.390/.490 with 22 HR, 115 RBI, and 3 SB in 150 games.
by Caleb on
Jan 17, 2008 9:35 AM EST
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285/360/480 23 HR/ 88 RBI/11 SB/ 155 G
Also, if Encaracion has a good year they should think about a l/t deal buying out his arb and a couple of his FA years.
by ken on
Jan 17, 2008 9:11 AM EST
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EdE and DR Winter League Series Final
Encarnación, Edwin
9 games, 32 AB, 8 Hits, 3 doubles 1 HR, 4 RBI, 5 Runs, 0 SB 7 BB, 7 SO, 14 TB .250 AVG, 438 SLG
http://www.aguiluchos.com/estadisticas.asp?a=1&b=57&c=2&d=&e=Ok
His team, the Eagles, just qualified for the winter league series final against the Licey Tigers. The series (best of 9) starts tonight here in Santo Domingo. Here are the projected starting line ups (http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=44579):
ÁGUILAS (EAGLES)
Chris Robertson CF
Rafael Furcal 2B
Miguel Tejada SS
Edwin Encarnación 3B
Mendy López 1B
Víctor Díaz RF
Luis Polonia DH
Alexis Gómez LF
Gustavo Molina C
Derek Leek P
LICEY
Emilio Bonifacio RF
Ronnie Belliard 2B
José Offerman 1B
Willy Aybar 3B
Armando Ríos LF
Napoleón Calzado DH
Erick Aybar SS
Félix Pie CF
Wil Nieves C
Randy Leek P
by Verka Serduchka on
Jan 17, 2008 10:49 AM EST
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Emendation
by Man Mountain on
Jan 17, 2008 11:00 AM EST
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eek
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 11:10 AM EST
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Furcal's more likely to give a 151 injection.
by Geki on
Jan 17, 2008 3:00 PM EST
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that sounds dirty
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 3:09 PM EST
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Good to see
by ken on
Jan 17, 2008 1:58 PM EST
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Is there some kind of rule
by Lakeman on
Jan 17, 2008 2:53 PM EST
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My uneducated guess is:
I think that Eddie E will benefit from a manager who favors 'vets' and be allowed to ride out bad streaks, at least I hope. I think he could be a big RBI guy if given the chance.
The question I have about Eddie E concerns his fielding, how many errors will Eddie E make if he plays the whole season at 3rd base?
Would we be happy if he kept it in the mid 20's?
by HarvardRedsFan on
Jan 17, 2008 12:07 PM EST
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As I've said in the past
by jch24 on
Jan 17, 2008 1:11 PM EST
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the amount of errors he made
by justin0070000 on
Jan 17, 2008 1:14 PM EST
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I agree
by Brendanukkah on
Jan 17, 2008 1:18 PM EST
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coach narron probably didn't help
Remeber that time he pinch hit Wan casto for Hamilton?
Remember that time he ran Majewski out there I think 18 times in 10 days, despite the fact that everytime Majewski entered a game they teed off on him?
Remember how he tried to hide Burton in the bullpen so he could use Saarloos, Coffey, Stanton, and Majewski, but Burton was too much of a risk?
Remember that time he caused Bronson Arroyo to break down?
Oh well I guess he was a little better then Bob Boone, and a little less crazy then Ray Knight.
by justin0070000 on
Jan 17, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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no way
by Daedalus on
Jan 17, 2008 3:32 PM EST
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I know what you mean:
by Madville on
Jan 17, 2008 6:16 PM EST
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correction
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Jan 17, 2008 8:17 PM EST
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re: those projecting 100 rbis from EdE
EdE: .294/.371/.492 21 HR, 89 RBIs, 9 SB, 154 G
by boobs on
Jan 17, 2008 2:24 PM EST
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wait, what year did dunn hit 100 homers?
by jacob brumfield on
Jan 17, 2008 2:29 PM EST
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never
Is that the year you are talking about boobs?
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 2:38 PM EST
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no
by boobs on
Jan 17, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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Dude
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 3:08 PM EST
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Here's why I did it
Edwin came to the plate with 372 runners on base and knocked in 76 (including himself 16 times). That's a rate of 16.1% of the runners knocked in.
If the Reds put Edwin in a position to bat with more runners on base (*cough* cleanup *cough*), and if he plays 155 games, and if he adds 45 points to his slugging percentage through more homers and doubles (like I projected), I have little doubt that he can reach 100 RBI next season.
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 2:30 PM EST
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In case it's not clear
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 2:34 PM EST
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% ROB driven in
I'm curious as to what kind of lineup Baker will try this year. I wouldn't mind seeing a higher OBP guy like Encarnacion 2nd, followed by Dunn, Griffey, Phillips, Votto, Sea Bass and Ross. Freel leads off if he's reasonably close to his '05-'06 levels.
by ken on
Jan 17, 2008 3:25 PM EST
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I got it from the gamelogs on BBRef
by Slyde on
Jan 17, 2008 3:32 PM EST
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(*clutch* cleanup *clutch*)
by Madville on
Jan 17, 2008 4:38 PM EST
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JUICED
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/16/all-time-teams-the-all-juiced-team/
by ET90210 on
Jan 18, 2008 12:35 AM EST
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here goes:
AVG- .287
OBP- .355
SLG- .473
HR- 23
RBI- 89
SB- 19
Games- 148
by crolfer on
Jan 20, 2008 2:38 PM EST
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Encarnacion Ready to become a Star
by MrMark on
Jan 24, 2008 9:49 AM EST
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