Dig in, Folks
Here is CTrent quoting Bob Castellini re: our good friend, yet incompetent GM, Wayne Krivsky:
"Wayne's a plugger. He's a plugger. He just keeps after it. A lot of determination.""I think Wayne is taking a studied approach to everything," Castellini said. "We're on the same page."
Is Krivsky's job in jeopardy? "No."
"He's done a good job overall," Castellini said. "He's trying really hard, we're all trying hard."
How comforting.
Using the Pittsburgh Pirates as my historical model, this is how I see it playing out:
2007 - Lucky to finish 4th place
2008 - Pete Mackanin steers the Redlegs to another 4th place finish (let's be honest, has an interim-to-permanent manager here ever done better?)
2009 - Mackanin fired, someone else manages the team to a fourth place finish
2010 - Kriv dawg fired, start the clock on another three year plan
2011 - Year two of three year plan
2012 - Oops, THAT didn't work. Start another three year plan.
2013 - Year one of three year plan
2014 - Year two of three year plan
2015 - Year three of three year plan. Playoffs?
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stop it
Crolfer, this is just a bad dream
by Caleb on Aug 9, 2007 9:48 AM EDT 0 recs
The children can wait until 2015
by satyanaas on
Aug 9, 2007 11:15 AM EDT
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It does kinda feel like they're teetering
I bring this up because this season has felt a lot like that moment. The Reds have constantly felt like they are one major move from competing, or one major move from destroying the organization. I think that's why most of us get tense at the thought of Wayne Krivsky being the key person in making that possible move. There's a lot to gain or lose.
by Slyde on Aug 9, 2007 9:59 AM EDT 0 recs
There are too many variables right now.
- Does Krivsky keep his job? (Evidently, yes.)
- Does they keep Mackinin for '08? (It seems unlikely but he is 18-13 with a team that was not really expected to win more than 85 games.)
- Do they sign Dunn for '08?
- Do they sign Dunn to a long term contract?
- Do they trade Griffey? (It seems unlikey, especially if he does not hit his 600th homer this September. That may seem sort of silly but I do think that is a significant contributing factor in this decision. It's not as if teams are beating down Wayne's door to try to acquire Junior. He's owed a lot of money.)
- Can Hamilton play 140 games next season? If Dunn and/or Griffey is/are not going to be here at some point in the future, Hamilton is going to have be a consistent producer.
- Will Edwin improve? When?
- Do they keep Stanton?
- Does the bullpen get completely overhauled?
- Assuming that '06 was something of a pleasant anomaly from Arroyo and that he will settle in as a .500-ish pitcher at #3 or #4 in the rotation, do the Reds try to sign or acquire a "legitimate" #2?
- Will Homer be ready to be the Reds' #2 in '08?
- The NL Central should be soft again in '08 so the Reds may not need five quality starters but who will be the #4 if they stand pat with Harang, Arroyo and Bailey?
- Who's on first?
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 9, 2007 10:30 AM EDT
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Dunn vs Hamilton
If you look at the two Daugherty/Brennemania favorites, Hamilton and Freel, they played in what, 30% of the games so far?
by bobestes on
Aug 9, 2007 10:34 AM EDT
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Seems to illustrate the axiom
by Brendanukkah on
Aug 9, 2007 10:42 AM EDT
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Sorry

by Slyde on
Aug 9, 2007 10:41 AM EDT
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Funny

by jch24 on
Aug 9, 2007 1:46 PM EDT
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"that moment"
Following that 99 season we decided to ditch the highly successful "rent-a-slugger" philosophy which I honestly loved. Also, we stopped the "closer-revolving-door" which was always great for trade bait, and instead kept using Graves until he was worthless. Ditching the revolving closer, IMO, is THE reason we have no bullpen today.
by TheDude on
Aug 9, 2007 10:49 AM EDT
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You know
And I agree, this all Danny Graves fault. I just couldn't put my finger on it. :)
BTW, I like to point this out from time-to-time because people assume that the Pirates are the only truly unsuccessful organization, but the Brewers still haven't finished the season with a winning record since 1991. And they're only 5 games over .500 right now. Granted, I'm sure the Pirates fans would kill to have their teams switched right now, but even a team that looks like they are turning it around is having trouble truly ditching their losing ways.
by Slyde on
Aug 9, 2007 10:58 AM EDT
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isn't it sad
by Daedalus on
Aug 9, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
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There's "that moment"...

by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 9, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
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Definitely
by satyanaas on
Aug 9, 2007 11:35 AM EDT
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I liked Miley
by justin0070000 on
Aug 9, 2007 9:31 PM EDT
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I was a that game
I guess we got tired of renting and used all of our savings to buy our own slugger in Griffey. That was pretty exciting, and I'm still glad we had him around in town to watch, but I guess it would have been wiser to keep the Mitchell's, Bichette's, and Vaughn's floating in and out of town, but as a fan it was hard to root for those guys because you knew they weren't going to be here very long...I agree with the revolving closer thought though.
by satyanaas on
Aug 9, 2007 11:29 AM EDT
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Not Teetering, at least Not Yet..
And since the Reds are a small market team, they are stuck with everyone else's reclamation projects. True, some of them will work out, Arroyo last year, Harang, especially, over the past few, but for every one of them there has been several Jimmy Haynes's and Paul Wilsons. This is what sets us back. We can bring up a Dunn or Kearns, but if you cannot develop adequate pitching, and you are compelled to acquire it from the outside as a small market team, it is a recipe for disaster.
Another factor, one I have been complaining about since it opened, is the GABP. It is too much of a hitters park. There is a reason the Cubs have not won a WS since '08, the Red Sox from 1918 until 2004, and the Rockies since their inception in MLB. To put it another way. The two teams with the most World Series championships, the Yankees and Cardinals, have played their home games mostly in pitching-oriented or neutral ballparks. Teams with extreme offensive ballparks skew the numbers so much that it damages the pitching staffs, and I am certain in between there the psyche of quite a few pitchers. I have personally witnessed, just from the games I have watched in person, at least a half dozen off-the-outfield-wall singles by players at the Great American. I doubt I saw that many in all my years of watching games at the old Riverfront. They need to move those fences back, especially down the lines.
by tonywf on
Aug 9, 2007 11:05 PM EDT
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The Snakes
Thom's 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks won the whole dang thing with Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson and Brian Anderson.
Also, the Jim Leyland Marlins won their title with Kevin Brown, Al Leiter and Alex Fernandez. But yes, they also had a young stud from "within the organization" (signed right off the boat only a year or two earlier) who came up to the big club sometime during the season to (as I remember) eat some innings as a fifth starter.

by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 9, 2007 11:26 PM EDT
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But I don't necessarily disagree..
"but if you cannot develop adequate pitching, and you are compelled to acquire it from the outside as a small market team, it is a recipe for disaster."
I agree with you there.
I don't remember exactly how the Diamonbacks acquired both Schilling and Johnson but my guess is that in just the six/seven years since then, players' salaries (and their awareness of their value to organizations that want to contend now) have inflated to the point where perhaps not even the Yankees or the Red Sox could pull off a Schilling/Johnson-esque coup. (Think about it, are the Sox gonna go after Zambrano? No. They blew their was on Daisuke. And if the Yankees get Zambrano, are they then going to pair him with Oswalt? Doubt it.)
It's peculiar- as I typed my first response to your post I was thinking, "The times, they are a-changin'." But the more that I think about it, the times may have just kept on a-changin'.
All of this means little to us Reds fans. As I posted earlier- supposing that we're positioned to contend in '08 (or more likely '09) with Harang, Bailey and Arroyo I think we'll need one more thoroughbred in the stable. And Bob probably won't spend/doesn't have the money to get one. And that, I think, is more to the point of your lament.
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 9, 2007 11:44 PM EDT
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Again, The Snakes
In fact, 2 of the last 3 and 3 of the last 6 World Series winners played in hitter's parks. More to the point, if you take out the Yankees (who won because of talent, not ballpark), 10 of the last 18 WS (or if you include them, 10 of 22) have been won by teams in hitter's parks. Also, the old Sportsman's Park in St. Louis (where the Cards won 7 of their 10 championships) was a hitter's park.
I don't really think it matters that much.
by sidnancy on
Aug 10, 2007 8:56 AM EDT
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In my business...
When we say someone is an "idiot," what we mean is that the person is not very smart, but we do not like the person.
by Paul Householder on Aug 9, 2007 9:59 AM EDT 0 recs
Shades of Gonzo
Bush is to Alberto Gonzalez as Castellini is to Wayne Krivsky
by bobestes on
Aug 9, 2007 10:05 AM EDT
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2015, baby
Longtime doormats make the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. Who wouldn't love that story?
I'm working on T Shirt slogans as we speak. This shit is gonna make me rich.
It's sorta like the Newmanimum (Seinfeld reference), but much more depressing.
by bobestes on Aug 9, 2007 10:02 AM EDT 0 recs
this makes it look like
by ewquinn on Aug 9, 2007 10:13 AM EDT 0 recs
don't forget
by Daedalus on Aug 9, 2007 11:02 AM EDT 0 recs
Sweet I'll be 27 when the reds win!
by Zach K on Aug 9, 2007 3:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Castellini's statements do not mean WK is safe
by justin0070000 on Aug 9, 2007 9:34 PM EDT 0 recs















