Win streak or not, Pete Mackanin is a douche.
Game one of the doubleheader's line-up:
Hopper cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Cantu 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Valentin c
Ellison lf
Ramirez p
Pete said Gonzalez, Ross and Dunn will be playing the second game.
Dunn sits for Jason Ellison for the second time in a week and evidently Hamilton will be sitting both games. Yes, Dunn and Hamilton are both significantly worse against lefties. AND THEY'RE STILL WAY FUCKING BETTER THAN JASON ELLISON IS AGAINST ANYONE.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh I fucking hate idiot managers.
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Bleh.
I kinda was planning on watching this game, too.
We'll be okay
Larry David and the Gefeltifish Blues
by buckeye22fox on Aug 28, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
gefeltifish
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Double think the double header
Would you like a warm drink and a few mushrooms?
Yes, it's true. Pete seems as obsessed with the righty-lefty thing as the gone but not forgotten Jerry Narrooon. It's nuts. Pete did say the other day that he would play Griffey in one game and Dunn in the other, and it makes sense that Griffey plays agains the better lefty, Gorzelan-whatever. But still.
I would have started Hamilton in center and NoHo in left, and batted Hamilton like, 7th? Or Kepp in left, NoHo in center, and Gonzalez at SS.
Ellison will be a dead spot in the line-up; no power, no pop, not even good defense. Dumb.
As old Joe Nuxhall used to say,"You can't win two until you win the first one." Managers seem to have forgotten how to approach double-headers.
by Lonesome George on Aug 28, 2007 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
Ross is back?
Norris Hopper is hitting .381/.416/.476 against LHP in his brief career, so I can live with him in the lineup against lefties from time to time. But Jason Ellison? Would someone please explain to me why this guy is on the team at all?
by ucclark on Aug 28, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
Jorgensen went down - thanks for the salami!
by Brendanukkah on Aug 28, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate to admit it
But Jason Ellison has no business touching a major league roster. His OPS just barely eclipses .500. His OPS vs. lefties this year is lower than Dunn's OBP vs. lefties. In his best season ever, he had an OPS+ of 79. Oh, and he's 29 years old. Why the fuck is this guy on this team? I hate Wayne Krivsky for putting him on the team and I hate Pete Mackanin for using him.
I bet Hamilton will start the second game
I imagine
That is a crummy lineup
With that said, the stars on this team SHOULD NEVER SIT!! I don't care about righty/lefty. I don't care about match-ups. This is crunch time. Sabermetrics aside, there are times when you throw stats out the window and this is one of those times.
DUNN and GRIFFEY and HAMILTON can rest in a month (or maybe a month and a half). They need to play every game until we're out of it.
And one more thing.... Pete! We don't need Jason Ellison to stay fresh and we NEVER WILL!!!
ctr says:
Stating that Dunn, Ross, and Gonzalez will play
Why wouldn't he just say Hamilton was starting?
Besides, the overall awfulness of the game makes any outrage perfectly reasonable.
right, right

i'm not in any mood, and most certainly not an argumentative one.
Id go with these today:
Gm 1
Hopper cf
Kepp lf
Griff rf
Phillips 2b
Hatte 1b
Edwin 3b
Gonzalez ss
Valentin c
Ramirez p
Gm 2
Hamilton cf
Kepp ss
Dunn lf
Phillips 2b
Edwin 3b
Cantu 1b
Hopper rf
Ross c
Arroyo p
those lineups
by JJ on Aug 28, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
Resting Dunn
by pw on Aug 28, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
It's true he can't tank when he's on the bench
[echo bile in Ellison's direction]
by Brendanukkah on Aug 28, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Serious Ellison question
My question: Why did Krivsky pick up waiver wire trash instead of promoting Chris Dickerson? Dickerson is on the 40 man, quick, and an adequate outfielder from everything I've read. (He seemed fine both times I saw him, fwiw). He's also probably eager to prove himself at the major league level.
There's probably a sound management reason for this, but I can't quite figure out what it is.
You follow this stuff closely, doug
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not Doug
by pw on Aug 28, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude you guys know I love Norris Hopper
Hey boobs

thats hot
Curb Your Enthusiasm there, buckeye
by Brendanukkah on Aug 28, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You pooped in the refrigerator
Pete definitely pooped in the fridge with this lineup. And it's not amazing and I am mad.

The pros of baseball know better than thee...
Promoting Dickerson leaves a whole in the outfield at Louisville, which would then leave a whole in the outfield at Chattanooga, etc., etc. Wayner and his staff would have to make all kinds of paperwork and stuff to re-arrange the deck chairs.
All that said, Dickerson is a better outfielder. Period. Full stop. If all they wanted was a guy to run around and catch balls and be a late inning replacement, then that SHOULD have been the move (promote Dickerson).
But Wayner and the 'pros' like him that run baseball teams are always looking two levels deeper than us dumb 'fans'.
Spot starts. Right-lefty switches. Clever stuff like that.
So that's why we get a guy who has no business playing regularly with any team in the Majors, starting in left field in a crucial game going into the last full month of the season. The Pros.
There are ML baseball executives (like Mark Shapiro, who is a sabremetrics guy, I betcha) who would not make a move like getting Ellison, but still, ours did.
It's the same kind of thinking that has Juan Castro pinch hitting for Josh Hamilton. And that sort of thinking, whether it's Jim Bowden, Carl Linder, Bob Boone, Dave Miley, Jerry Narron, Wayne Krivsky, or Pete Mackanin, keeps the Reds a losing team for what, 7 straight seasons?
The Pros who run baseball teams. Right.
So if Jason Ellison goes 3 for 4 tonight and drives in the winning run, boy, does Wayner look smart. Don't hold your breath.
by Lonesome George on Aug 28, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
Benefit of the doubt
by dcdanny on Aug 28, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, but...
by Brendanukkah on Aug 28, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess it's this
ellison, hamilton, griffey
dunn, hopper, keppinger
it's just that hopper and ellison are both in the starting lineup at the same time. i mean, ellison shouldn't start at all, but since its a dh, it's bound to happen.
at least we'll have big bats on the bench in both games. and hey, ellison can't pinch hit in game one!
Hopper
And as for Hamilton, the fact is he's been TERRIBLE against lefties--a .620 OPS. Now, I imagine a large part of that is the fact that he never gets to play against them and so he's not comfortable with that matchup yet. But let's solve that next year. Today, I say, go with Hopper.
But Ellison, I'll grant you. what I wouldn't give for a sharp-hitting right-handed OF.
by dcdanny on Aug 28, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes,dcdanny, you are the only one.
in case you missed it
Ellison's bat is already sharp
by JJ on Aug 28, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Stat of the Day
Home Runs sitting on Priates Bench: 17
Just Sayin'
Speaking of homeruns...
by Brendanukkah on Aug 28, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep his bat sharp?
What is the dullest thing in the world?
(There is actually an obscure literary answer to this question).
by ucclark on Aug 28, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions
Not quite....
Now I have to go take a *#$%#@ final exam. The Reds better be up 10-2 when I get back, dammit. And I want to see at least 2 HRs from the new "dullest thing in the world", Jason Ellison's bat, dammit.
I figure if I say "dammit" enough, anything is possible.
by ucclark on Aug 28, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna need it....
by ucclark on Aug 28, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He's kind of eschewing the strike zone
by Brendanukkah on Aug 28, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
gosh i was freel was available
We could be 5 back
Ellison
by dcdanny on Aug 28, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
why don't more bars
when i have my bar called "Glover's" (my name) in cincinnati with all of the baseball memorabilia i've collected over the years, i'm having wireless available.
Is the drunk fan
i have the pirates feed
Well.... I guess that's positive
I'm watching this on MLB.tv
Am I just feeling particularly pessimistic
On the flipside, if we take this double-header despite EZ, then you have to start thinking about Destiny.
(Cue Alan.....)
I'm such a schizophrenic fan
EZ battles back and gets out of the inning undamaged..... man, we're winning the whole damn thing!!
not quite
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hop: infield hit
Twist the knife some more, why don't you
No
Bubba would have gotten that one, and made it look easy.
While I twist the knife
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
a dirty dozen
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Incredibull scrap right there
These guys
bad luck?
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No wonder this game sounds
Can you explain what happened?
Phillips
Phillips didn't
ahhh dammit. i just got here and already im mad.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
At least
Strategem!!
Wow, wow, wow
...later, one of us must know?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
please please Jim Tracy
dammit
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
wow ramierz gave a .067 batter a down the middle
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
does anyone else have mlb.tv?
yes
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yes, they are bad
thata boy rameriez
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions
Who said he was "amazing"?
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
thats all i hear lately in the posts
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't read anyone calling
(fwiw, I'm actually not one of those high on RAMIREZ)
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if hopper were playing center
...
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
uhhh
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
earth to meecus
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
hamilton better get put in!!!!!
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:28 PM EDT reply actions
why is rameriez still in?
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
i think that makes ups for at least
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
sanchez hit a grand slam in the 4th
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
ramierez walked a batter to load the bases
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
in norris hopper
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahah
nice macanine nice
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Figures
ummmm....
i play baseball
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
OPS
P = plus
S = slugging average
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, SS2...
From the OPS diary:
Here's a scale, so that next time one of our resident saber-dorks references OPS, you'll know if it's Pujolsian, or more NeifiPerezian:
.700: Mendoza Line
.750: Mediocre
.775: Average
.800: Above Average
.900: All-Star
1.000: MVP Contender
OPS, SS2. It's the future. Now.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 28, 2007 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
good to see you Al
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're referring to these, MIchael
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
*gulp*
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple stat, really
It's a good measure for how effective a batter you are. An OPS of about .700 is the mendoza line.
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
an OPS of .986
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
keppinger=awesomeness
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
Does anyone know
it depends what park
i thought you left
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i couldn't tear myself away
a team should make a shift for hopper
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
did anyone else watching FSN
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, he was sure frustrated
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn...
good idea to keep ramierez in
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
Comeback???
This off day screwed them
why is stanton warming up?
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
E-lizzy isnt long for this one.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:45 PM EDT reply actions
Krivsky
yeah he wouldnt want to be forced
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
CANTU!!!!!!!!1
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
can do
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
why did the rays give up on him
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i think they gave up on him because
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
go sit in the corner
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
what is that?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that...
And the whining about how he didn't deserve to be in the minors.
because with the Rays
- .207 .277 .224
- .249 .295 .404
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
out of how many abs?
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
471
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
might wanna think about putting
Gonzo hitting for Ramirez
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
MEEEEEEEE
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i keep forgeting we are in pittsburg
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
2 on No Out!!!!!!!
ellison just missed it
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
dunn would have gotten all of that one...*sigh*
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
welcome back gonzo
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
common
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
Norris ain't exactly and RBI threat
Should have bunted....
whatta you drinking tonight, big spender?
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Gila Monster Amber Lager
Had a keg party this weekend, and people stupidly brought their own beer. They felt bad about taking it from the fridge when the party was over, thus, it's mine.
Who's the big winner?!!
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mikey.....
See, baby. You're so money, you don't even know it.
Phillips is a stud
I love kepp
walks as good as a single with no one on
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Griff!
Gorzelanny's losing it
since when
C'mon BP
How Many run(s)??????????????????
Ain't NO CURE!
wow
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
weak wireless signal
aren't there a few cities
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
philly
I remember the hot spots in Dupont

by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Pete and Jim
Ummm...
a real chess match
Cantu is not "due"
Sup, guys.
wait what happened
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
*doesnt
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like he didn't run out of the box?
I hate to say it, but yeah
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least he scored and its moot.
Maybe this is Pete and Jim emulating LaRussa
Elpidio!!
Yes!!!!!!
AND WE'VE GOT A FARKING BALLGAME
Vamanos La Machina!!!
Aye, Dios Mio. : (
Let's go Javy
(Clap Clap)
Good AB wasted there by Valentin
At least he didn't GABP
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
*GIDP
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
"GABP"
the selfish, rally-killing kind
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
for a demotion.
Come on, Jason Elli-
He's first pitch swinger
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
F%$# Ellison
it would be nice to have someone with a chance of
See
i really didnt mind macain
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
*hit an hr
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda like
we're slowly improving at manager. We had Narron who was entirely incompetent, now we have Mackanin who is slightly less incompetent with better results.
we'll have a good manager by 2020 at this rate.
Ahhh... The Magic Man
All right!
it's a goddamn beautiful night
spoken like a true
"Who can own a rock? Who can own a tree? Only the great spirit."
Pts?
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Pocahontas?
And do I get any points for Swingers?
Not pocahontas
I didn't think you could give points for swingers, ghostbusters, caddyshack, or zoolander.
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So, ummm.........
Hold Hamilton out of the lineup against the lefty, then burn him for one at bat against.......a........lefty.
the pittsburgh guys say Mackanin
So we can sprinkle that on our pissflakes tomorrow morning.
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
how close was kepps hit?
by Shortstop2 on Aug 28, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
Damn
I'd sacrifice a relative for 592 here
I thought
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Tie this baby up, Junior
well
like heroics
feroics being a new word identical
I like "feroics"
by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Denorfia
Oh Good!
1 down, keep your fingers crossed
Almost like the Magic Man of Old...
OK boys, last chance. BP and Kepp, gotta like those odds, plus maybe DUnn in a PH role?
Dunn v. Capps
If you get a man on, you have to.
Time for a rally.
Um sorry
Here we go!
We need some live bats
And feroics.
In Play, No out(s)!
Man on base....
I know this may grate people the wrong way, but...
Why would that grate people the wrong way?
Joking kinda'
EdE will get it done
Dunn's got hit one of these
Damn
These long at-bats
DONKEY TIME!!!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
Is Ross back with the team?
If this game ends with Dunn on the bench...
OK... great job.
If Dunn hits a game-winning HR here...
Dunn vs Capps pt2
Congratulations.
Thank you
Capps was NASTY tonight I would of taken him over Pujols in that situation.
Yeah, that was sarcasm
I do
Courage, friend.

Come on Big Donkey!!
Come on Big Donkey!!
el burro grande es muay something
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
eck
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
ive been in england for a year
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ellison would have gotten a hit there.
hahahahahahaha
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
The GS did us in.
I wanted that one sooo bad
i think its ASAP
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
a half hour from now
Not sure if you care or not...
Remember there is a team option for 2008.
Really, 2008 is his contract year.
Just sayin'.
by Paul Householder on Aug 28, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for a hamburger and a beer
make that two beers
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
New game thread for the new game?
We need a new thread
I say in 30 minutes we do it again
I'll make a thread... if its in demand
The Bats
Joey Votto is the IL Rookie of the Year. Even though his name was accidentally left off the ballot.
Aaron Herr was picked the top utility player. I think they said he was left off the ballot, too, but still won.
my brother was a redheaded stepchild.
ahhhhh childhood....
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Have fun with the second half
His fun little monograph on Rogers Hornsby can be found here
A'ight I did it
ugh
hello... you need them know. Put your best line up on the field

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