So, who gets the call Sept 1st?

by MixFMKyle on Aug 27, 2007 1:05 PM EDT

Saturday MLB permits teams to expand their Active 25-Man rosters to 40 players. Teams rarely take 15 extra players, but most add 5-6 players. The only rule is the person also has to be on your 40-Man Roster. Also players who were not part of your 25-Man Roster before September 1st are not eligible for Post-Season Play. With all of that said here is the state of the Reds Roster:

Currently, there are 42 Players listed on the 40-Man Roster. 60 Day-DL Players do not count against the 40. Jerry Gil and Eric Milton are the two Reds on the 60-Day DL, and both are out the rest of the season. That Narrows it down to 40 Remaning. Subtract out our 25 Active Players and we are down to 15.

Five Players are on the 15-Day DL. This includes Ryan Freel, Juan Castro, Bobby Livingston, David Ross, and Pedro Lopez. I would think Castro and Freel could be moved to the 60-Day if needed, but I imagine Wayne only does that if he absolutely has to.

That leaves 10 players in the Minors on options that are on the 40-Man and can be called up.

Most Likely to be up (5):
Todd Coffey
Kirk Saarlos
Jon Coutlangus
Marcus McBeth
Joey Votto

Possibility (4)
Homer Baily (If He Proves to be healthy.)
Chris Dickerson
Brad Salmon
Phil Dumatrait

Not Going to Happen (1)
Alexander Smit (Still in A Ball)

Also, David Ross should be back from the DL. I imagine Jorgensen hangs around, as almost every MLB team carries 3 catchers in September.

So who is not on the 40-Man and should get a Call up?

Many people say Jay Bruce and Johnny Cueto. Come may even make an argument for Matt Maloney or Aaron Herr. I doubt we see any of the four, especially Herr, Maloney, and Cueto. A injury to Hamilton or Griffey could open the door for Jay Bruce. Any of the 4 if called up would have to be put on the 40-Man Roster, meaning someone would have to get a DFA, or put on the 60-Day DL. And at some point the ones on the 60-Day DL have to be put back on the Roster, although Im not too sure if there is a date that has to be done on, or before Spring Training.

Who do you want to see most in September?

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Who deserves the call Sept 1st?

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i'm all for DFA'ing Stanton

to make room for Bruce!!!

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 27, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

i second that

suggestions, anyone?

by BobbyO on Aug 27, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Would Bruce be able to win ROY in 08 still

if he is called up?

"Macrono?" -Jeff Brantley

by Zach K on Aug 27, 2007 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

rookie requirements

In order to qualify for the award a player must not exceed either of the following, prior to the season under consideration:

*130 at bats or 50 innings pitched in the major leagues

*45 days on the active rosters of major league clubs (excluding time on the disabled list or any time after rosters are expanded on September 1)

Where have you gone Webb Alert chick?

by Red Menace on Aug 27, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks, now I know

It seems Prince Fielder had two rookie seasons, It seemed like he had more than 130 abs before his other rookie season.

"Macrono?" -Jeff Brantley

by Zach K on Aug 27, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions

The Rookie formerly known as Prince

had 61 plate appearances in 2005.

I'm surprised as well. I thought he'd gotten around 100.

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 27, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow Really?

20 of them must of been vs the reds that year

"Macrono?" -Jeff Brantley

by Zach K on Aug 27, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions

6

He appeared in 5 games against the Reds in 2005, no starts, and went 2 for 6. Both singles.

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Zach has no use for facts.

I have noticed how he just says things and rarely ever attempts to back them up. When someone actually shows him statistics, his statements are usually far off from what those statistics show. He likes to be negative, and I think it is just for the sake of negativity, like he wants to be argumentative and make people angry. An example is when he annoys people with his comments on how Norris Hopper is a great player. There is no way anyone who is informed about baseball could say Norris Hopper should start for the Reds unless they were just trying to irritate people.

by Longball on Aug 28, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

good points

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by MixFMKyle on Aug 28, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Zach and I have had our tiffs

But he's a nice kids, who gets a lot of shit and takes it in stride. I think he was saying that it seemed as if Prince had had all these at bats. And actually it seemed that way to me as well, so I decided to look it up.

When I'm out with my friends at a bar, I say the same kind of stuff, partly because I'm relying on faulty memory, partly because bullshit is an indespensible part of all good conversation.

I suppose we all have bad players we like; I have a foolish faith in Matt Belisle.

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 28, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

for some reason this made me laugh

i think it's the b.s. is indispensable part of good conversation. probably cuz i'm sitting in my office skipping a b.s. session on corporate governance that was mandatory because i am quitting my job! yippee!

oh, and i think zach rubbed some people the wrong way with his militant response to the dream post. i know he wasn't the only one, but he was the most persistent. hi zach!

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 28, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

I need my RDA of amicable bullshit.

We are all geniuses, sometime we just don't have the facts at hand to back it up:

"Genius - the ability to produce fantastic amounts of equally fantastic bullshit that all makes perfect sense"
Jason Zebehazy

Ergo Zach is a genius, a genius with passion and at squabbing and more power to him.

Has the game started yet?

by Madville on Aug 29, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

The 40 man, and the roster expansion

Livingston may be put on the 60-day DL after his next examination. That would open a spot on the 40-man roster.

I agree with dumping Stanton, but it ain't gonna happen with Wayner. They'll give him next spring to "find himself" again. Absolute malarkey.
Ditto with Guardado.

And dump Jason Ellison after Sept. 1, while you're at it. He should have no future with this ball club.

Witless as usual

by Lonesome George on Aug 27, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions

Guardado

I don't see the Reds picking up Guardado's multi-million dollar option.

"If Guardado is added to the major league roster, he would get a $500,000 salary for the season. The deal also includes an opportunity to make approximately $1.4 million in bonuses based upon time on the roster, and another $1.2 million in performance bonuses. Guardado could reach all of them if he pitches the second half of the season for Cincinnati. The contract also gives the Reds a 2008 option that would range from $3 million to $7 million, depending upon how much he pitches this season."

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on Aug 27, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm voting Bruce

I think with the season he's had, he deserves a shot. At least to come off the bench, maybe a start or two in late September (if we're out of it).

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on Aug 27, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions

Well here are the candidates:

Todd Coffey - yep
Kirk Saarlos - yep
Jon Coutlangus- yep
Marcus McBeth ? How many pitchers can we use
Joey Votto - yep Better be up
Homer Baily - yep How many pitchers can we use
Brad Salmon ? How many pitchers can we use
Johnny Cueto Nope
Jay Bruce yep

Jason Ellison would be jettisoned tonight if I was boss.

Has the game started yet?

by Madville on Aug 27, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions

How many? All of them

How many pitchers can we use

Managers like LaRussa love September - they can change pitchers every batter if they feel like it. And often do.

just....wow.

by sidnancy on Aug 27, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

There is no reason to have a worn out Bull Pen in September. You should have atleast 3 to 4 extra arms on the staff.

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by MixFMKyle on Aug 27, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Any Pitcher on the 40 Man

Who has been with big league team this year should be up here. We already used the option year, so might as well take advantage of it in September.

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by MixFMKyle on Aug 27, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Depends....

Todd Coffey--yes, still better than Stanton.
Kirk Saarloos--yes, to Dante's seventh circle of
hell.
Jon Coutlangus--they never should've sent him to AAA
Marcus McBeth--probably.
Joey Votto--yes, absolutely. need to find out if he
can play.
Homer Baily--is he still alive?
Chris Dickerson--probably.
Brad Salmon--probably.
Phil Dumatrait--should be going same place as
Saarloos.

by tonywf on Aug 27, 2007 4:44 PM EDT reply actions

Votto should of been up awhile ago...

so when he is called up, it won't be that exciting as it would of been two months ago.

I'm very excited to see if Salmon and Mcbeth have made any progress,

Bailey still has a ways to go because i heard he got the shit knocked out of him in his first rehab start....

"Macrono?" -Jeff Brantley

by Zach K on Aug 27, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

The DL

And at some point the ones on the 60-Day DL have to be put back on the Roster, although Im not too sure if there is a date that has to be done on, or before Spring Training.

There's no deadline. They don't have to be put back on the roster until they are healthy. (Take Carl Pavano - please. He's spent over a year on 15-day DL and another year on the 60-day.)

However, if a team tries to stash a healthy player on the DL, and he's unhappy about it, the union may get involved, and force them to put him on the roster or release him.

There's also a little wiggle room in the roster, including the postseason roster, should it get to that. If there's an injury and someone goes on the DL, then anyone currently in the Reds system can be called up to take the spot, even if they weren't on the roster before.

Not sure if this applies to bereavement leave (thinking of A-Gon here).

Because of A-Gon and his poor sick kid, I'm thinking they may want to call up an infielder, just in case. Even if they have to make a roster move to do it. Bellhorn? He has the jewelry, and maybe his veteran-ness can help the team down a tough stretch run. Votto and/or Janish? They both struggled at first, then caught fire. Maybe even Herr, who has played well this year and maybe earned a shot.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 27, 2007 5:36 PM EDT reply actions

60 Day DL

There's no deadline. They don't have to be put back on the roster until they are healthy.

From Albert Belle's Wiki page:

"In October 1998, Belle invoked the clause, and when the White Sox declined to give him a raise, Belle immediately became a free agent. Belle again became the game's highest paid player, signing a five-year deal, $65 million deal with the Baltimore Orioles. However, Belle ended his career just two seasons later, retiring at age 34 as a result of degenerative osteoarthritis in his hip. However, he was kept on Baltimore's active 40-man roster for the next three years, as a condition of the insurance policy which largely reimbursed the Orioles for the remainder of Belle's contract."

just....wow.

by sidnancy on Aug 27, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I still remember the laughter in the room

when Andrew's roommate Jeff drafted Albert Belle for his fantasy team in 2001.

Where have you gone Webb Alert chick?

by Red Menace on Aug 27, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Herr, and there, and all that

Yeah, that's why I'd call up Herr, too. And the basic philosophy that you can never have too many middle infielders.

Witless as usual

by Lonesome George on Aug 27, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm actually fine without Castro

by Brendanukkah on Aug 27, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, no Castro - no Bellhorn

There are times when you can have too too too many middle infielders.

Has the game started yet?

by Madville on Aug 27, 2007 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

suck it, duaner

Just a reminder not to panic if Wayne doesn't call up everyone we want to see on September 1. He could do like the Mets do:

The Mets plan to make minor-league promotions in two waves -- one on Saturday on the first day permitted, and the second after Triple-A New Orleans' season ends, according to Minaya. Joe Smith and David Newhan figure to be the first call-ups, though Smith has not pitched since Aug. 20 because of arm fatigue. Continued elbow problems for Ambiorix Burgos, which required an exam in New York yesterday, appear likely to sidetrack his return.

The Mets plan for Mike Pelfrey to work in the bullpen. Infielder Anderson Hernandez and pitchers Jon Adkins, Dave Williams, Philip Humber, Steve Schmoll and Willie Collazo also are with the Zephyrs and merit consideration. The regular season for New Orleans, which is in third place and on the outer edge of postseason contention, ends Monday.

* * *

GM Omar Minaya ruled out Duaner Sanchez (shoulder) returning, but expected him to play winter ball.

Of course, if Wayne did more like the Mets do, we wouldn't be sitting here clinging to most likely false hope...

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 28, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions