Bobby Livingston out

by CamIam on Aug 24, 2007 4:06 PM EDT Comment 72 comments

Bobby Livingston has a torn labrum in his pitching shoulder and has been put on the DL. Coffey has been recalled from Louisville.

I think a torn labrum is pretty serious, no? I think this means no Bobby Livingston in the rotation next year. Also, why in the world are we calling up Coffey and not McBeth or Cooter? Every time I think about defending Wayne as a decent GM or begin to think he is learning from his mistakes he does something stupid.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/redsinsider/2007/08/livingston-on-dl.asp

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oh crap

that sux. all of it sux. yeah, torn labrum is very, very bad. he won't be ready for next season, that's for sure. most guys who have torn labrums miss entire seasons.

crap.

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions

Thats what I thought

I believe thats what Pedro tore and he has not been right since. I guess the good news is Bobby doesnt throw hard anyway so he may recover.

by CamIam on Aug 24, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

or he will lose velocity

and have no chance to ever succede.

by justin0070000 on Aug 24, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

link?

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 24, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions

sorry

its on CTR and Fay's blogs.

by CamIam on Aug 24, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

updated

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 24, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks!

by CamIam on Aug 24, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

spanks

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 24, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

not to sound insensitive

but i am more troubled by sweaters calling up coffey sted one of the SC centerfielders (or why not tyler pelland?) than i am losing livingston.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 24, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions

you just want your ball to be worth more!

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

is that a crime?

really, though, i would never sell that ball. it's teh shit.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 24, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

In other news,

Apparently Fidel Castro has died. (Although WaPo and CNN aren't reporting it yet)

by Brendanukkah on Aug 24, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions

We need Chandrathan News

And their reporter in the field, Zach "Brian" Fantana.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 24, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions

where did you hear this?

im not seeing it anywhere

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 24, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Try Wonkette.

OMG BREAKING CASTRO IS MAYBE DEAD AGAIN!!!

by Gray on Aug 24, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

castro died in 1981

see?

lol.

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

If he's dead, why is he still

On the Reds' payroll?

If Krivsky doesn't exercise Adam Dunn's 2008 option, I'm a Mets fan until they fire him.

by Paul Householder on Aug 24, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions

I am our Cuba expert

I was there last fall. I think he died some time ago, but they are afraid to announce it.

by justin0070000 on Aug 24, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

So who do we bring up now?

I hope not Dumatrait again. He clearly wasn't ready. Homer is probably 2 weeks off. Only true options left will be Maloney or Cueto, unless they have Gosling or Saarlos make starts.

The Double Header Tuesday will complicate things.

Right now We got

Harang Fri
Belisle Sat
? Sunday
Off Day Monday
Arroyo Tue Gm 1
Elizrdo Tue Gm 2
Harang Wed
Belisle Thur
? Fri (at STL)
? Sat (Probably Bronson on Short Rest)

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by MixFMKyle on Aug 24, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

Another reason I dont want Mac to manage in 08

From CTR

Lineup
Hopper 8
Keppinger 6
Griffey 9
Phillips 4
Cantu 3
Encarnacion 5
Valentin 2
Ellison 7
Belisle 1

There is no reason to start Ellison ever. Ever. And if you do start him then there is no way he and Hopper should both be in the lineup.

by CamIam on Aug 24, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions

walkoff homer?

SIT THE BENCH.

Homers in two straight games?

SIT THE BENCH.

by Geki on Aug 24, 2007 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Just out of curiosity...

..I wonder if I could see Dunn's career numbers against Willis?

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Some one had

them listed in a diary the other day and they were not very good. But if you're going to sit him then you should put Kepp in left and Sea Bass at short.

by CamIam on Aug 24, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions

0-13

3 walks, 5 strikeouts

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 24, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Thank you, sir.

I would have gone Yahoo-ing myself but I was busy flipping through this. Anyone else ever read 'em?

(Didja know?: Dunn is the only player in the history of the Reds franchise to have more than one 100RBI/100BB/100runs season.)

Not bad.

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

correction

0 for 10, 3 walks, 5 strikeouts

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 24, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone watch the Concepcion highlights

at reds.com? I was pleased to see who served up the homer to Concepcion in the '82 All-Star game.

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 24, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

i like those things

i was staring at the .577 winning % since july 3. i find that pretty incredible. we're only 13 games under .500, but there are only 35 games left. wouldn't it be something if we went 25-10 in these last games? Guess that's like .700+, though.

Stupid Wayne should have fired Stupid Jerry sooner. Sigh...

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah...

Like last year...or when he got the job. Who's the moron that removed the interim tag?

What'cha gonna do, Red Reporters, when Brennamania runs wild on you?

by chandrathan on Aug 24, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

D. howabout 22-12 from here on out?

"80 wins" is what I told my imaginary friend when Jerry was fired.

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions

except 57+22=79

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by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

oh, i see

you were counting tonight's win. harang won't have two bad outings in a row (actually it'd be three, right?)

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by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Snuffy was of no help with math.

And my other imaginary friend Slyde won't help me with my math homework.

I'll have to check on Harang. I thought he'd been decent or better since his back injury.

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions

he gave up 6 runs last time, 5 the time before

he's due for a no no.

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Goodby to Pete

There is no reason to start Ellison ever. Ever. there is no reason for Ellison to on the roster. Ever.

Hopper I can see and if you needed to give Dunn a rest, esp. agaisnt Big Don, I'd much rather see Keppinger out there and Gonzo back at SS.

Has the game started yet?

by Madville on Aug 24, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I think something's up with Sea Bass.

I don't know what it might be, but why would he be activated and then determined unable to play for "a few more days"?

Why?

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

are you thinking what I'm thinking?

i.e., fascist homosexual drug orgies

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 24, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes, I am.

But I'm always thinking that.

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I am

...now.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 24, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

You always go Homophonic on us

Has the game started yet?

by Madville on Aug 24, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I was thinking this last night

when he wasn't brought in to pitch hit...

But I don't get it.

by Gray on Aug 24, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah why the hell activate him if he's still a few

days away? i guess wayner thinks wasting roster spots is the way to win the big one (see ellison, stanton, castro). i suppose maybe gonzalez's time on the bereavment list was up?

at least this isnt pittsburgh

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 24, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions

The guy that hit the homer run to win the game

what was his name? Where did he go?

This situation reminds me of a scene in the movie "New Jack City"... (-Deion Sanders)

by satyanaas on Aug 24, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

livingston isnt a terrible loss

though this certainly isnt good. i had high hopes for him come next year. i guess its a good thing we have alot of 5th starter types. the coffey call-up is just one more in a long string of misses in bullpen construction for wayner.

and no fernando cabrera. i dont know if we've discussed this yet, but wayner not getting this guy is beyond me.

at least this isnt pittsburgh

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 24, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions

I disagree Charlie

BL get us in most of the games he pitched, Strange as that may seem, and with the new and improved Bullpen that's really all a number 4 or 5 pitcher needs to do. Who else do we got that is consistently keeping us in the game and keeping it close? Not Phil, or Belizzle....Gosling - don't think so. Livingston was doing his job pretty well.

Has the game started yet?

by Madville on Aug 24, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

no no i agree with you

livingston was the best we had in the back end of the rotation. dumatrait and belisle we not as good. but i think the lizard could end up being comparable next year though. we certainly are worse without him, but i dont think it will be that difficult to replace him. heres hoping a little rest and a cortizone shot is all it takes to get back and throwing.

at least this isnt pittsburgh

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 24, 2007 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Yikes

That's not good news.

If conservative therapy or surgery works, he could be back next year. The problem is it doesn't always work.

Why the torn labrum is baseball's most fearsome injury

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by BubbaFan on Aug 24, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions

this is bad

Of the 36 major-league hurlers diagnosed with labrum tears in the last five years, only midlevel reliever Rocky Biddle has returned to his previous level.

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

well...

...it is an older article (2004). Maybe they've improved their treatments since then?

It does seem like labrum tears are more easily repaired in athletes who are not pitchers. Drew Brees had a labrum tear, didn't he? But a quarterback doesn't throw as much or as hard as a pitcher.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 24, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions

RE: improved treatments

See? Things are getting better and better all the time!

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

In that case

Let's sign Stanton to a 10-year deal. He'll only get better!

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by BubbaFan on Aug 24, 2007 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions

i think you are short-changing him.

a 10-year deal is a slap in the face. you should be ashamed...

at least this isnt pittsburgh

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 24, 2007 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Ouch

Here are some more details from Fay:

Bobby Livingston today went on the 15-day disabled list with a torn in the labrum of his left shoulder. He'll be checked out in 10 days to decide if he needs surgery.

...

The odd thing is he felt fine in his last start. He played long toss the day after.

"I woke up the next day and couldn't lift my arm," he said.

If he needs surgery, it would probably mean missing all of the next season.

Yikes, that's awful. I feel really bad for the guy.

I agree that Livingston was no ace, and was certainly overrated by Marty et al., but he had a shot to be a solid #4 guy with his control skills over the next year or 2. And that's certainly valuable enough to make this a significant blow.

Hopefully somehow it will not require surgery...though one has to think that's a long shot.
-j

On Baseball and the Reds

by JinAZ on Aug 24, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions

The mind of Wayne is a perilous place...

Gosling will start in his place in the rotation. I am almost sure of that at this point.

Actually, Gosling's numbers in AAA were better than Livingston's and he has a little more velocity on his fastball.

But it is a crappy break for a scrappy guy. Really, I wouldn't wish that kind of injury on anybody. Livingston is tough competitor and has a good head on his shoulders, with regards to getting the most out of his talent. Scrappy.

And why Coffey is back up is anybody's guess. Maybe his slider is better. Heh, to all that, I guess. Where is McBeth? I thought this might be a 40 man roster thing, but crap no. The only thing I can think of is that

Krivsky is TRYING to make Macarena look bad
This is absolutely, positively Coffey's last chance. And I mean it this time.

Oh, and I agree. Ellison sucks gas.

Witless as usual

by Lonesome George on Aug 24, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions

Bob Wickman was DFA'd today.

If I thought he had the ability to be stealthy, I'd be assigning a bodyguard to Dunn. Dude sent him from closer to team-less in a day.

by Geki on Aug 24, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions

interesting

i bet krivsky goes for him.

I love the Reds no matter what!

by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions

He better hurry before the Dodgers get him.

They've already added one extra box of donuts to Sunday's clubhouse spread. Why not two?

"She rules at the grimace!" ~Cameron Delaney's Daddy

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

And they DFA'd Brett Tomko to do it.

Uh-oh.

by Geki on Aug 24, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Uh-oh is right

Now pitching for the Washington Nationals, BRETT TOMKO!

by Brian B on Aug 24, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2007/08/24/wickman_0825.html

how is that possible? he's got a 3.92 ERA this year. there must be clubhouse issues involved. so weird.

if the reds signed him, he'd never have to face dunn. get em sweaters!

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 24, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions

or perhaps

schuerholz already has a deal worked out in principle. does anyone know if wickman has cleared trade wavers?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 24, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

ERA is not the whole story

Look at his WHIP.

(This is why I'm not sure Coutlangus is all that. Good ERA, not so good WHIP. More lucky than good?)

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by BubbaFan on Aug 24, 2007 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Wickman

From what I've heard, the Braves' front office have been split over Wickman since the beginning of the season. There's a contingent that have been waiting for him to play himself out of a job. It probably should have happened 2 months ago, but I think Dunn's walkoff to cap a 3 game losing streak in August was the exclamation point they needed to pull the trigger.

He had a good half season with the Braves last year, but he's reverted back into his 1.40+ WHIP. He shouldn't be a closer for a contending team.

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 24, 2007 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Dead Fidel rumors..

..are starting to go brick-and-mortar,

And hey someone, can a brotha get a game thread?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 24, 2007 6:41 PM EDT reply actions

You could make one

Or we could just use this thread.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 24, 2007 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Smilin' Bob

Bob's a good guy.
My son (about 7 at the time) and I were hanging over the rail above the Indians bullpen at Cinergy/Riverfront (Reds-Indians interleague game) about 6 years ago, and Bob looked right at us and grinned and waved.

But don't pick him up Wayne. Don't touch that waiver wire, stop Wayne, please stop Wayne, I can feel my mind going, Wayne. Please stop.

Daisy..Daisy, give me your answer,doo.....

Witless as usual

by Lonesome George on Aug 24, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions