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Jay Bruce to take his cues from Adam Dunn?

The spillover/collateral damage of Adam Dunn....

When Jay Bruce arrives on the scene do you want Adam Dunn to be the one to take Bruce "under his wing"? Do you want Jay Bruce to take his cues from Dunn?

When they arrive in Sarasota next spring do you want Jay Bruce to join Dunn for a couple rounds of golf on Sundays? Go fishing down at Siesta Key? Toss down beers and talk Texas at the Dacquiri Deck? Is this what will serve Jay Bruce best in his development as a BASEBALL PLAYER??

Yes, these things don't show up in an OPS or RC number but they show up in the standings.

Will Adam Dunn tell Bruce stories of how when he first came up to the majors he had trouble with strikeouts, fielding, hitting the better pitchers, over-eating but through HARD WORK, focused off season drills, winter ball, treadmill he transformed himself into a more rounded, versatile baseball player?? Through a committment to doing whatever it takes he overcame those obstacles? Ummmm no, don't think any of those stories will be coming out of Dunn's mouth.......................

For years now the individual players on this team have NOT had a "whatever it takes" attitude and the team as a whole hasn't either. When you look to what is the root source for the collective attitude of a team look no further than the team's most charismatic, visible, influential, powerful players........in the Reds case, look to Adam Dunn.

Sure the bullpen blows but it is the everyday players that more times than not are the source of the personality of a TEAM. If you're just looking at Dunn's numbers this year and thinking maybe he's worth 13M? Then you're not looking into this broadly enough..................

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Yay!!!
Michael is back!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

She will!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael...
There are many new people here who only know you as a legend.  Many weren't convinced you actually exist.  You should meet Zach!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha Whats sad is a I don't understand this...
I don't like Dunn either but I am smart enough to understand how rare it is to hit 40HRs and have 100RBIs a year! Yo Mike think of him has the reds Juan Gone, The Indians did ok with him on their team.
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zach you are a cool guy that takes things in
stride...

You get picked on more than you should, but you take it well.

Michael on the other hand is not that way.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks THan
but I didn't believe you guys when you said this guy was a CRAZY Dunn hater....wow! This is an insane Diary!
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Legend of Michael Grows...
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope
Norris Hopper will take him under his wing and teach him how to be a middlin', barely hanging on major leaguer who will be lucky if he's substitute teaching in a couple of years.

by bobestes on Jul 25, 2007 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So this is Michael eh
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strong Cat!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re:
haha... oh geez..... that didn't take long...

Yes, I exist. I drink at the Siesta Key Dacquiri deck (on occasion).

I was there in sarasota to watch EE's first spring training and I immediately evaluated "hmmm.... doesn't look that exceptional to me in any facet?"....."I think he is being overrated..?".....

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

scene from spring training '08
billy hatcher is standing forlornly by young jay bruce's locker.  disappointment is washed over his face.  jay walks up to him, fresh out of the showers.  "hey coach!" he says with the enthusiasm of youth.  as billy turns to confront him, jay notices the pack of marlboro lights in his hand and the tear on his cheek.  jay, quick to defense, says "i was just holding them for a friend!  honest!"  on the other side of the locker room adam dunn begins laughing malevolently.

fin

Barry Larkin is better than 10 super bowls put together

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 25, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn destroys this team!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

two Adam Dunns?
yeah. that'd be nice.

i think cartoon hearts just started pouring out of my eyes.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Jul 25, 2007 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jay Bruce
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG
did this make me laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Jul 25, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: zach
Don't forget 40 HRs and 100 RBIs are "historical" benchmarks and typically threshholds for guys who play in 140+/150+ games...

In today's game a pitching ERA of 4.00 isn't all that different from a 3.00 ERA of previous eras. This is a run scoring era and Dunn requires a full 160+ games/yr of playing time to get his bare minimum benchmarks.

Yes, 40/100 is an achievement.... grandiose? all important?? nah............

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude Adam Dunn is not the reason the reds suck
The Top 3 reasons
  1. Bad GM
  2. Bullpen
  3. No proven starter after Harang and Arroyo
I hate to say it but Dunn is having a great year
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Benchmarks for who?
How many players average 40 HR and 100 RBI per season?  And of those that do, what are they paid?  And if those players were to be traded, what would it do to their teams?  What would the fans think?

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is risen!
Good to see you back Michael!

There's been some idle speculation among Reds prospectors wondering how Reds fans will take to Bruce when they realize he strikes out a lot. This is a brilliant solution: because Adam Dunn made him that way. It all fits together like a watch.

It's not the negativity. It's the misdirected negativity.

by Red Menace on Jul 25, 2007 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When it comes to Dunn haters Michael r top dog
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Austin City Limits
Bruce and Dunn walking the streets of Siesta Key Village on a Saturday night next March.....

Dunn tossing out c notes to the occasional peddler, posing for photos, kissing hotties in T-Backs and signing private parts.

Young Jay thinking this is even better than Friday nights back at the old resevoir dump site.

Tell me how Adam. Take me under your wing.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK this guy isn't real...
someone just signed in to a different name...atleast I hope so
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if Jay can resist the temptation
Hanging out with Dunn in Austin sounds like a blast.  I'll gladly take his place.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...
"peddler"?  They still have those?  I thought the Grimm brothers were the last people to use that word, and that they had just made them up, like witches, big bad wolves, and Bavarians.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap
I leave for a week and Michael comes back?

I'm going back down to my mom's basement.

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Slyde's back too?
What a crazy day!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SLYDE!!!
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Adam's year
yes, adam is having a relatively good adam dunn type year (god help us)....

and yes, the bullpen blows and if one single culprit needs to be held accountable then yes the bullpen is the number one cause of this year's record.

However, look to the past 7 years young zach. Look to the recurrent problems.  Look to what hasn't changed. Look to this team's style of play even through the brief periods where Danny Graves (mystery of the universe) was a shutdown reliever.

Think large young zach. Look beyond the box score.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just cuz you're crazy
doesn't mean you can't [Reply to this].  Netiquette, Michael.  Netiquette.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Graves was a shutdown reliever?
Now you're just making stuff up.
chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
Through seven seasons, he's just been a crappy hitter with an OBP near .400 who pretty consistently hits a home run every 14 ABs.  All of those losses?  His fault, pretty much.

by Gray on Jul 25, 2007 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who was the guy to set up a shitty bullpen and
not bring in more contact hitters then....oh yeah the GM!

I can't look beyond the box score, Brendans mom won't let me!

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael...
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the truth.
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This isn't a problem for Tribbles
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zach...Don't be tempted by the dark side!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pic for international Talk like a Pirate day!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where is Mini Michael?
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No need for that.
It's been a long time, and I have buried the hatchet, if Michael will consider it buried.

Welcome back, Michael.

Please don't trade Adam Dunn.

by Paul Householder on Jul 25, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael has to love the seriousness with which
this diary has been met...

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea! Micheal's back!
Great to see you pal!

Adam Dunn, his entire career, has been one thing, and one thing only:  A guy who gets on base (he's been in the top 10 in the league in times on base 3 times) and, when he hits the ball, hits it hard (this is the third year he's been in the top 10 in XBH).  He's never hit for average (one year he hit .266); no one's ever nominated him for a gold glove; one year he stole 19 bases (but was thrown out 9 times, which isn't a good percentage).

Yet, year in and year out (other than last year), he's been one of the top run producers in the league.  And guess what?  When he's hit well, the Reds have scored alot of runs - in his 3 best hitting years, the Reds have been 1st, 7th, and 10th in scoring (how did that '04 team not score runs???); in his 3 worst years, the team was 9th, 9th, and 13th.  So with one exception, his production has mirrored the offense's.

More importantly, while you dismiss it, the pitching has been the problem throughout the new century, not Adam Dunn.  This will be the 7th consecutive year the Reds have been 10th or worse in runs allowed; 6 of those they've been 13th or worse; 4 they've been one of the 2 worst.

But you don't want to hear that.  You want to hear that the team lacks "savvy"; that Dunn sucks because he doesn't "run out to his position".  Teams don't have savvy; they score runs.  And Adam Dunn does more to help this team score runs, year in and year out, than anyone else (and than the vast majority of players in the majors).

just....wow.

by sidnancy on Jul 25, 2007 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IT's true
I dont like Dunn cause i think he could be much better than he is, but I know he is not the problem. Levels of Dunn Hate

VERY EXTREME-Michael

EXTREME- Shortstop

DISLIKE-Me

He is not the only one on this team who strikes out either.

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't understand why anyone would NOT
like Adam Dunn. He's not a great defensive player and that's really the only knock I have on him. But he is a big dude. I believe strongly that Adam Dunn should bat in the 4 hole with BP or Griffey behind him. Dunn still has some up side and he will (barring injuries) hit at least 600 home runs in his career. 40+ home runs - 90+ RBIs strong OBP and appears to be a clean livin' guy. what's not to like.

CTrent would marry Adam.

I don't think that Griffey or Dunn will be dealt. Something tells me that Edwin will be. F.Vegas Alan

by Madville on Jul 25, 2007 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dissing on Dunn
I can totally understand why people don't like Dunn. His unique skill set stands at the crossroads of a lot of traditional and new ideas about baseball.

low batting average - BA's usefulness lies in the extremes. It doesn't tell us much of anything to separate a .290 batter from a .270 one, but it's very hard to be a .320 hitter and not be good. And it's very hard to be for a .230 hitter and to be successful--but it can happen. Adam Dunn is one and he flies in the face of the most enduring shorthand method of player evaluation.

high OBP - Traditionally not appreciated.

high strikeouts - They stick in your mind and really bug people. Despite the fact that Dunn doesn't make many outs he makes them in this bothersome, though not problematic way.

seemingly lackadaisical attitude - Historically players like this get dumped on (many times there are racial issues which aren't present here). This is exacerbated in the town that still lives under the cult of Charlie Hustle.

fans of bad teams blame their best player - It's an 'old' Bill James maxim. He should be better, not all the replacement level scrubs on the roster.

one dimensional player - Speaking of James this has been on my mind. I think it was in Politics of Glory where he suggested that players who can do many things well are not as appreciated as players who have one strong skill. He was talking about third basemen in the hall of fame where the great offensive players (Eddie Mathews) are enshrined, the great defenders (Brooks Robinson) are enshrined, but the great all around player who didn't excel in one facet is left out (Ron Santo).

Anyways I've been thinking that maybe the opposite is more often the case now. Lately there's been a strange fetishization of players who don't really do anything bad, but aren't good at anything (David Eckstein is exhibit A). Just a theory but I think this trend is working against Dunn.    

Anyway it's no surprise to me that he's disliked by many. Factor in that the Reds haven't won with him and the general lack of understanding that C does not = C and there you have it.

It's not the negativity. It's the misdirected negativity.

by Red Menace on Jul 26, 2007 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Menace--lets cyber make out
not really, but you brought up a great point.

I have two officemates, both baseball "fans"--one Asstros, one Cards. The Cardsfan loves her some Eckstein. And here's the thing--I hate knocking Eckstein. The dude is tiny and is an OK major leaguer. Seriously, at his size and athleticism, he's  a freak and should be applauded. BUT he is not a great major leaguer, MVP, 'the one guy you hate to see up", etc. The fact that he's a as good as he is (which isn't great) is a testament to his ability, but he is not great. Just because he beat the odds doesn't mean he's great. It just doesn't. We should applaud him, but Rolen was the Cards MVP of the last World Series, not Eckstein.

Eckstein was the average fan's (read: media type) surrogate in last year's playoffs, BUT HE IS NOT AS GOOD AS 20 of the other players in that World Series. Seriously, I know the copy writes itself with Eckstein and Marcus Thames and etc, but they actually aren't as important to their team's success because they sortof shouldn't have made it to the majors in the first place.

It's so simple. They extraordinary for their size, but they aren't overwhelming players on their own teams. C'mon. they just aren't and they don't do anything particularly well.

It's painting season, and you've got a lot of stuff to paint.

by Man Mountain on Jul 26, 2007 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Dunn is a bad player!
I'm just saying I'm not a fan of his, not to say I don't root for him because after all he is a red! He reminds of the kid that was strong, fast and was good at every sport he played, but never worked hard to get better and become great. So it's hard for me to root for him, now this might sound stupid coming from a guy who loves watching Kobe Bryant play, but even he works his ass off to get to the Great leve in his sport. I Don't blame him for us not winning, that blame goes to leatherpants and sweaterpants.
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 26, 2007 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know how hard
he works? You don't. There are players who may "seem" like they loaf by the way they move, but are actually going "all out." There are players who hustle as a means to cover up their laziness in other areas. While I respect Pete Rose for the player he was; the "run to first base on a walk" mentality can be and often is stupid, particularly for a sport in which you play 162 games mostly outdoors, extending through the hottest part of the year.

Dunn isn't stellar defensively and he strikes out a lot. It may be that he could become a better player, but maybe not. All we can do as fans is judge what he does on the field and what he does on the field is quite good all in all.

It's painting season, and you've got a lot of stuff to paint.

by Man Mountain on Jul 26, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry I thought I said it in my post but
I didn't, I forgot to say, I don't know how hard he works but to me he loafs, I'm not trying to bad mouth dunn man
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 26, 2007 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:
This picture/cat stuff is a new development. (??)

I never liked the "reply to this" ??.. Or maybe I have my "options" set wrong?.. How do you know where/when a reply to a given comment has been made? you have to scroll up and search?....

seems more readable to just post everything in linear fashion? We who can discern the relative importance of solo homeruns, two out bases empty walks, dead red dead pull right handed hitters etc..can also piece together which comments apply to which posts.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can always search for [new]
This is how I find all of the new comments...

by Gray on Jul 25, 2007 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap.
Now I'll keep finding this one when I do that.  Good job, self.

by Gray on Jul 25, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Gray...
Now the search stops at your comment.
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here ya go...
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:
I'm humbled by the sincere and not so sincere reception. It's my privilege to share some of my thoughts/knowledge and frankly baseball savvy with all of you.
Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The pleasure is all yours
To address another point though, the Reds have a Team Lassie now.  Johnny Narron makes sure that Josh Hamilton stays out of trouble and keeps his nose clean (so to speak).  I'm certain that Wayne Krivsky, conscious of the ills that Adam Dunn could do to an impressionable youngster like Bruce, will immediately entrust the rookie into the care of Mr. Narron.  Worry not, Michael.  Worry not.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This one's for Cory Hart
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: sid
sid, I have one for you to chew on and you can mark my words.

The idea that some American League team will ultimately end up with Adam Dunn at which point he will begin a hall of fame career as a DH is MYTH. And I will tell you why.

As a GM, the first things you will look at as you sort through the Adam Dunn fact sheet are:

-~195 Ks per year
-~.219 lifetime BA with RISP
-~.250 lifetime BA
-salary somewhere in the 10-15 million/yr

You won't go any futher as a GM. You will say "Next". You won't even make it to the ~40 HRs/year or what .380 OBP?? you won't even get that far.

As a GM, you'll know intuitively that you can do better for your TEAM with a platoon or by giving some young player opportunity. You won't want to get married to having to play him every night as a DH with that type of production.

Oakland and Boston have already effectively "passed" on Dunn (guillen trade and WMP trade)... other A.L. teams will as well.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NO not all GMs
Sweaterpants looks at

age:40
Is on the downside of career: yes
Is he an Ex-Twin: Yes

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so if Dunn hits 550 - 600+ hrs for his career
he wouldn't be worth it or make the HOF?
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 25, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure sid never mentioned the AL
As for Boston and Oakland, the GM in your scenario is pretty much the antithesis of Billy Beane.  Dunn is exactly the type of player he would like (power, high walk rate, good OBP, doesn't care about strikeouts).  And Boston had a fella by the name of David Ortiz at DH, as well as Manny Ramirez in LF.  I bet if you were to poll Oakland and Boston fans on who they'd rather have, Dunn or Guillen/Pena, the answer would resoundingly be the former.

You don't like Dunn?  Fine.  You don't think we can win with him?  Fine, it's a plausible point.  But please acknowledge that there are other things that are holding this club back besides Dunn.  We are not magically rocketing to the World Series if we trade or cut him.  Your horse is dead, mister.  Beating it isn't helping anything.  Try whipping on that ass in the bullpen.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

missed this earlier
"Oakland and Boston have already effectively "passed" on Dunn (guillen trade and WMP trade)... "

This is a stated published fact? I would have guessed that the Reds didn't offer, or waived off including Dunn as a part of those deals. Instead the Reds dumped two underachieving head cases

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 25, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Facts are overrated
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God damn - ABSOLUTELY
I don't think that Griffey or Dunn will be dealt. Something tells me that Edwin will be. F.Vegas Alan

by Madville on Jul 25, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad there's no more Eric Milton...
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would call this a dogpile
But I don't think I can.  A catpile?
Please don't trade Adam Dunn.

by Paul Householder on Jul 25, 2007 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see Michael is still good
for getting a boring morning turned around
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 25, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Has Geki met Micheal?
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will happen when Geki meets Michael
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep
http://www.redreporter.com/comments/2006/9/27/23173/2486/10#10
chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha thank you
and I thought I got it bad from him...
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This picture is Over the Top!
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Total F*cking Voodoo Horseshit
It's painting season, and you've got a lot of stuff to paint.

by Man Mountain on Jul 25, 2007 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't Blame Me
Look to Adam. Adam is the one who made himself into a player that you don't know what to do with.

-You can't hit him at top of order to take advantage of OBP because of his Ks, lack of bat control/situational skills, steadily decreasing speed/agility....

-You can't hit him in 3/4/5 power slots because of Ks, ~.219 BA with RISP, ~.250 BA

-if you hit him 6th, 7th it's tough to justify 10-15M/year especially if you're not a top salary budget team and a guy who can't field (or even harder to justify your DH).....
- - - - - -

It's not dumb luck that Dunn hasn't been traded to Oakland, LA, Boston etc... in recent years. The moneyballers would no doubt view Dunn as an "interesting" player and a "wow....too bad..." kind of player...but when push comes to shove they no doubt pass.

Only in Cincinnati has this donkey been able to survive and even flourish (relatively speaking). It is a little sad, pathetic.... discouraging....and baffling.

Alas, noone can hide forever from natural selection not even the donkey Dunn. It is Dunn who resisted evolution, was unwilling or unable to adjust to survive. Don't blame me.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How can you make the leap that Dunn
will somehow corrupt Bruce, or anyone else, and ruin his career?

Dunn is what he is. SHow me a team that has all 5 tool palyers? Would the Reds of the 70's been great with just Rose? or Bench? Of course not. It takes a lot of guys doing things well. Look at Bench, his offense was usually just ok, he had some great years but his average wasn't great. His defense was stellar but with out Rose and Morgan and Perez and Davey they would have been average at best. The game has evolved, the money has evolved. And why do we get so wrapped up in what someone is making? It is a fantasy world of Monopoly money for most of us. And the argument that we could have 2-3 young guys for the same price is weak. With that in mind we just keep turning over the line up every 5-6 years with nothing to show for it except an occasional playoff team or playoff run. We could be the New Millenium Expos. Oh wait that would be the A's

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 25, 2007 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael
You are a moron.  Just Shut Up.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle

by MixFMKyle on Jul 25, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't fight with michael..
It's much more fun and rewarding to just post pictures of cats.
"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 25, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: leap
the leap caleb is and I refer you topically to the falcons owner, "the quarterback is both the leader on and off the field".........

You can tell immediately watching Dunn the natural leadership abilities he has within the context of an athletic team. Remember Dunn played quarterback in his gridiron days not defensive end, not guard, not tight end etc.....

Dunn is clearly likable, personable, talented athlete, confident, comes from successful family...etc..etc.. all these things lead to natural leadership abilities.

The problem is you can have quality/effective/winning leadership or lousy/losing/just get by leadership. In a baseball context Dunn's influence is the latter. It's painfully obvious to see and you don't even need a boxscore/stat sheet.

If your leaders are strongly focused, committed, smart, do the things "the right way", are fundamentally sound well then you have the makings for a great situation for your team.

If your leaders on the other hand (in a broad sense) just rely on their natural abilities and just do what is necessary to get by and make their millions then........... you have the present day reds.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leadership
Why pick on Dunn on this?  Why not Griffey?  If anyone ought to be a leader, how 'bout Mr. All-Century player?  What about Bronson Arroyo, who's also a likeable guy and good at what he does?  He has a ring, he could be a leader.  Why aren't you eating his bacon for playing guitar too much?  Certainly, this team could use someone like a Barry Larkin or a Kevin Mitchell or a Greg Vaughn when it comes to clubhouse leadership.  Dunn doesn't have to be the guy though.  And if there's no leadership on the team, then it's up to the manager to get his players going.  Krivsky has had a largely ineffective fixation on veteran players, ostensibly because of their leadership qualities.  This has yet to bear positive results.  Mostly it just means the crappy veteran plays at the expense of the youngster, which I don't imagine teaches any of them too much.  But if you're worried about leadership, if you're worried about bad habits, I have no idea how you can just single out Dunn.  I don't understand this single-minded obsession with Dunn.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never bought the idea
that "on-field leadership" is important to a sports team.  these are grown men.  they dont need big brothers to offer them afterschool advice.  

and who says dunn needs to be a leader, if such things exist?  isnt that why we have old men like stanton, weathers, conine, hatteberg, griffey, etc?

Barry Larkin is better than 10 super bowls put together

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 25, 2007 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just playing devil's advocate here....
...Michael might argue that if Dunn was this team's quarterback/team family picnic host/shade tree mechanic/Yoda then Wayne would not have had to sign re-treads like Stanton and Conine.
"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
Michael would argue that it doesn't matter what Dunn does, he's still terrible and not worth the money.
chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:
did you hear narron (or zillions of other managers/players) talk?

Narron: "Freelie", "Hopps", "Dunners"...etc..etc.... pro sports teams may be grown men but as a group the same schoolyard rules/customs apply...

And there would be some strong-minded to their convictions individuals but also many personalities looking for and needing stronger personalities to get their cues from...........

Surviving is about adjusting and when unsure you'd look to piers... the most confident/influential/cool and probably richest ones...........

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re;
oops I might have meant "peers"
Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"might have meant"?
Do we need JD to warm up the ol' SpellChecker/UnintentionalNauticalMetaphorDetector?

We've got one of those, don't we Slyde?

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To quote Jeffrey Lebowski
"What in God's name are you blathering about?"

by Brendanukkah on Jul 25, 2007 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please
.. Dont quote me without my permission.
'Clutch' to me is the epitome of experimenter's bias.

by TheDude on Jul 25, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you abide?
"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on Jul 25, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe
that the other Jeffrey Lebowski, Dude.
It's painting season, and you've got a lot of stuff to paint.

by Man Mountain on Jul 25, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you dont like dunn
because he's confident/influential/cool/rich?  jealous much?
Barry Larkin is better than 10 super bowls put together

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 25, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re
nah...but I have been on plenty of teams and I know there are plenty of austin kearns', valentins', larsons', encarnacions etc..etc...who can be influenced by their surroundings..........
Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by "teams" you mean...
...bachelor parties where the guy who rented the limo also brought a li' bit of Charlie?

"TO THE DONKEY SHOW!!!"

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charlie? like Charlie Parker?
jazzzzzzz
Barry Larkin is better than 10 super bowls put together

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 25, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: DJ Kyle
thanks for posting where to "find you" on myspace. You can bet I am anxious to see and learn more about you.
Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do we need Man Mountain to arbitrate this bet?
"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:
it may have been a sarcastic comment
dj kyle does sound real cool and hip for sure tho
Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"may have been"?
Do we need JD to warm up the ol' Sarcasmometer here?
"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't afford it
He's still saving up for a proper Dental Plan, before it's too late:

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can somebody build that guy a bridge?
"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That guy, there
would have trouble eating a peach.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Jul 25, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude
You come here and post the most idiotic statements, and have absolutely no facts to back them up.  Everyone here is a Reds fan.  Of course a lot of us will get defensive when someone comes on and claims Adam Dunn is what is wrong with this team.  In no way shape or form is he a part of the problem.  Dunn might be below average on defense, and does strikeout a lot, but he boasts above average power and OBP.  

Who would you rather have in left field?  Freel?  Hopper?  Dewaye Wise?  I sure would love to see them and their combined 18 RBIs in the lineup everyday, along with their horrific OBP around .300 .  (Dunn's a career .378).  I bet we would win a whole bunch of games with the inability to get on base or driive in runs.

Take my advice.  Educate yourself.  There are resources on this website.  Learn how to read stats. And if someone disagrees, don't argue like a 4th grader.  Accept their postion and agree to disagree and move on.  Don't keep bringing it up over and over.  Just grow up some.

Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle

by MixFMKyle on Jul 25, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come "Find Me" Michael
My Fist will find your crack head face.

What a douche.

Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle

by MixFMKyle on Jul 25, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool God, Why is Micheal on such a mission to...
get people to hate Adam Dunn? Did he eat one of his chesseburgers?
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Linear Posting Michael:
Let's see:

The idea that some American League team will ultimately end up with Adam Dunn at which point he will begin a hall of fame career as a DH is MYTH.  If Dunn has a HOF career, it's already started.  I don't think he'll be a HOFer, but if he is, the foundation has been set.

As a GM, the first things you will look at as you sort through the Adam Dunn fact sheet are:

-~195 Ks per year
-~.219 lifetime BA with RISP
-~.250 lifetime BA
-salary somewhere in the 10-15 million/yr

If those are the first things you look at, you're a bigger idiot than people assume; you'd certainly be too stupid to be a GM of a major league team.

The first thing you'd look at is that Dunn is only 27 years old, and is entering the best part of his career, if history is to be believed.

Next, you'd see a guy who gets on base 38% of the time, 23rd among active players, meaning you have at most one guy on the team who's going to make fewer outs than him.  And if you knew anything at all about baseball, you'd know that outs are the most precious thing there is, and that not making outs is the most important thing you can do.

You'd see that he hits .220 with RISP because he's walked so much; in 23.8% of PA vs. 13.9% when no runner is in scoring position.  You'd also see he puts the ball in play more often (which no one talks about):  74.2% vs. 72.6%.

You'd also see that when he does hit the ball, he hits it hard.  This will be the 4th year in a row that he's hit more than 40 HRs.  Other players who've hit 40+ each of the past 3 years:
1.  Albert Pujols

Finally, you'd look at your current DH.  The only team who has a better hitter at DH is Boston (before you say "Cleveland", look at Hafner's stats this year).  You'd also see that Ortiz and Hafner are much older than Dunn.

You won't go any futher as a GM. You will say "Next". You won't even make it to the ~40 HRs/year or what .380 OBP?? you won't even get that far.  As I said, if you passed before looking at those two things, you'd lose your job.

As a GM, you'll know intuitively that you can do better for your TEAM with a platoon or by giving some young player opportunity.  Name two players who'll be available after the year who, if platooned, would equal Dunn's production.  You can't.

You won't want to get married to having to play him every night as a DH with that type of production.  As I stated, he's a better hitter than almost every DH in the league; why wouldn't you want to?

Oakland and Boston have already effectively "passed" on Dunn (guillen trade and WMP trade)... other A.L. teams will as well.  As someone said earlier, how do you know this?  How do you know Dunn was offered to either team?  Bowden would have been run out of town if they'd offered Dunn for Harang, and rightly so.  Arroyo was merely an average pitcher (much like this year); again, Krivsky would have been run out of town.

just....wow.

by sidnancy on Jul 25, 2007 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha...
Ah...yes...

It is a good day. Let me hit the FM dial and crank up some tunes. Brain cells love loud music.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: sid
well, guess we'll have to agree to disagree sid and see how it plays out.
Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Jul 25, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW...
It occurs to me that Wayne's Hatteberg action might have to wait until after Konerko and Texeiria (sp?) settle in wherever they are going to settle.

I'm beginning to think that we won't get much if anything for Lohse and we won't get much if anything for Hatteberg and we won't get anything for Weathers because Wayne won't trade him and we might get a lil' sumpin for Edwin because Wayne will think, "Well, I guess I gotta do something."

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Close
You misplaced an i.

I hope we get something for Lohse; Hatteberg should bring a decent prospect; Weathers should bring a good return simply because he's superficially effective.

I'm ascared EdE will be dumped for a bucket of balls.  Or Royce Clayton.

just....wow.

by sidnancy on Jul 25, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we know where Michael's cat is?
"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on Jul 25, 2007 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW
welcome back "michael"  how ive missed you!  
'Clutch' to me is the epitome of experimenter's bias.

by TheDude on Jul 25, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If they Trade Dunn
does MIchael go with him?
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 25, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

michael does not help hangovers
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jul 25, 2007 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So that WAS you at the Dacquiri Deck last night!
"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that Zach Braff?
This cone will change your life, I swear.
chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just lost your right..
..to paraphrase Natalie Portman.

Is what you just did.

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like you, Michael.
I really do. Your act used to irritate me, but at this point I just find it funny. Can we get a new Dunn diary every day?

by Geki on Jul 25, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awse
If Michael did not exist it would be necessary to invent him.

by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 25, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Michael. With just one diary...
"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by michael's logic...
ryan howard sux, too.  nobody ever mentions it, but dunn and howard's numbers are similar, aside from the batting avg. aspect.  i don't hear anyone screaming that howard strikes out too much, though he does almost as much as dunn (2007 RH - 107, AD -120).

howard does have better stats, but i think the comparison is not far off.  i just wonder what michael's cutoff line is for suckitude.

by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually Ryan Howard
has been on the DL twice.  Had he played all those games, he would have surpassed Dunn on Strikeouts by now.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle

by MixFMKyle on Jul 25, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael's cut-off line
Dunn
EdE
Kearns
People who like any of the above
Happy people
The French

------ cutoff line ------

everybody else

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Howard
If Michael was a Phillies phan, he'd rail about how Howard hit worse last year with RISP (.256 vs. .313 overall avg) and with RISP and 2 outs (.247).  So unclutch.  

by ken on Jul 25, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a point worth mentioning
Often lost in all of this (pointless?) arguing that Dunn is that he's pretty remarkable for a player of his "carriage" in that he keeps pretty healthy, ergo his production in the lineup is consistent. Not sure whether it's something to credit him for or dumb luck, but it's worth pointing out when someone brings up his work ethic/conditioning. Throw out his rookie half season and the 2003 year he missed around 45 games and Dunn averages 160 games a year. Even with 2003 year added, he'll likely have a career average of around 140 G/Yr by the end of the season. Not too shabby when considering his "value" as a player.
It's painting season, and you've got a lot of stuff to paint.

by Man Mountain on Jul 25, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably the most overlooked part about him.
You can't have value to the team if you aren't playing. And Dunn is always playing. I don't really get all the hate about his conditioning, because when you look at the guy, he's not even remotely fat.

by Geki on Jul 25, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm concered about that
He isn't muscle though, and I hope he keeps his weight down so he doens't decline in his 30s. That is what is great about Dunn he plays 158 to 169 games a year
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dibs!
I'm calling dibs on using this for my signature!
"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn it!
i wanted dibs.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jul 25, 2007 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok the 9 key is right next to the zero...
god damnit
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 25, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay. I'll ease off since..
...you have one of those new computers with the 9 right next to the 0.

But boobs might not give ya the mulligan.

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I put forward a motion
that we suspend the cat stuff for a while. At least until it's somewhat surprising.

It's actually more annoying at this point than Michael's fatuous Dunn argument.

It's painting season, and you've got a lot of stuff to paint.

by Man Mountain on Jul 25, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm probably the wrong person...
..to second this motion, and while I don't necessarily find them to be "annoying" I do kinda maybe think that the cats have kinda maybe jumped their sharks.

Meh-ow.

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'z in ur sitcoms

Jumpin ur sharks.

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 25, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, that guy I love!
I've been waiting and waiting for a reason to use "Twiggy."

Damn you, Slyde! Daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn Yooooooou!

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 25, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is Dunn's fault
The Reds woes of the past 7 years are all Dunn's fault.  
Just like the Colorado Rockies franchise should blame Larry Walker and Todd Helton.
Or the Royals of the past 10 years should blame Mike Sweeney.

by omnired on Jul 25, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunn and Bruce
Interestingly, Adam Dunn and Jay Bruce worked out together all offseason down in Texas.  Its worked out pretty well for both of them.

So, no.  I would not mind Adam Dunn mentoring Jay Bruce.

by Blue on Jul 25, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Michael
Great to see you back!

Now that you're here, you can get back to answering those multiple choice questions I gave you almost six months ago.  There's only 5 of them, so I figure at just over a month each, you should have extremely enlightening answers for us.

http://www.redreporter.com/comments/2006/8/31/22388/9352/66#66

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Jul 25, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dayn Perry on Dunn
Michael, do you have any respect for Dayn Perry? He has an article on 10 names to watch at the deadline (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7054794 ). About Dunn he says:

3. Adam Dunn, 1B/OF, Reds

The Reds focus too much on what Dunn can't do -- hit for average and make consistent contact -- and fail to recognize what he can do -- get on base and hit home runs. Savvier organizations know this, and that's why Dunn's a good bet to be moved. He's a bit like Teixeira without the defense, and he'd help out teams like the Angels, Twins and Mariners, who all need more pop from their DHs

by pw on Jul 26, 2007 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Obviously
Perry doesn't know what real "savvy" is.
just....wow.

by sidnancy on Jul 26, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

B-b-but...
This means... Michael is real...
"Can I do Nomo? Uh, no. It's too herky jerky. I'd probably pull a disk." -Ken Griffey Jr.

by crolfer on Jul 29, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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