NL All-Star Roster - a.k.a. Aaron Harang Gets the Shaft

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 6:28 PM EDT

It's official, only one All-Star for 2007.

Starters:
Russell Martin C
Prince Fielder 1B
Chase Utley 2B
David Wright 3B
Jose Reyes SS
Carlos Beltran OF
George Kenneth Griffey, Jr. OF
Barry Bonds OF

*according to mlb.com, Junior got the most votes in the National League. Congratulations.

Pitchers:
P Francisco Cordero
P Brian Fuentes
P Cole Hamels
P Trevor Hoffman
P Jake Peavy
P Brad Penny
P Takashi Saito
P Ben Sheets
P John Smoltz
P Jose Valverde
P Billy Wagner

Reserves:
C Brian McCann
1B Derrek Lee
1B Albert Pujols
1B Dmitri Young
2B Orlando Hudson
2B Freddy Sanchez
SS J.J. Hardy
3B Miguel Cabrera
OF Matt Holliday
OF Carlos Lee
OF Aaron Rowand
OF Alfonso Soriano

The "Final Vote" guys:
Tom Gorzelanny, PIT
Roy Oswalt, HOU
Brandon Webb, ARI
Chris Young, SD
Carlos Zambrano, CHI

Hamels: 9-4, 3.87 ERA, 29 BB, 116 K, 1.22 WHIP
"Big Z": 9-6, 4.20 ERA, 47 BB, 97 K, 1.33 WHIP
Harang: 8-2, 3.80 ERA, 28 BB, 100 K, 1.18 WHIP

just sayin'...

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Sweet

Harangutan and Dunner had better be on there, although I have a sneaking suspicion they won't.....

by jch24 on Jul 1, 2007 6:30 PM EDT reply actions

Griffey...

Is Cincinnatian for "Lone All-Star Representative".

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions

Is anyone else watching the selection show?

They are showing Fielder highlights, and one of them involved him getting hit in the groin with a throw to first.
....WTF!?

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions

Not watching, but eagerly awaiting updates...

Thanks Ash.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Jerry is crying...

Weathers didn't make the all start team.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 6:53 PM EDT reply actions

wow

they just announced the final vote guys, and every one is a pitcher. what was the thinking behind that? that was probably the worst supplemental show of any sport i have ever seen. i nominate scott boras for mlb commissioner.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples.

by boobs on Jul 1, 2007 6:59 PM EDT reply actions

the show was just bad

and every time I saw Ripken and Gwynn I kept thinking of Keith Hernandez and Walt Frazier in that horrible commercial

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 1, 2007 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait, you mean those

dye-your-grey-facial-hair-and-women-who-previously-shunned-you-will-now-have-sex-with-you commercials!? Those are awesome!!

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I saw Willie Gault

on Nickelodeon the other night. Completely freaked me out.

by jch24 on Jul 1, 2007 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Gotta hand it to TLR

He did not pick any unnecessary Cardinals. Hell, George Grande would have picked Eckstein or Rolen at least. This has got to be the first time in a long time that the defending champion only has one All Star.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:00 PM EDT reply actions

Carlos Zambrano being included on the

final vote list over Aaron Harang is a fucking joke.

Zambrano: 9-6, 4.20 ERA, 47 BB, 97 K, 1.33 WHIP
Harang: 8-2, 3.80 ERA, 29 BB, 116 K, 1.18 WHIP

...shall I continue??

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:01 PM EDT reply actions

no

that will suffice

by Blue on Jul 1, 2007 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Harang won the triple crown of pitching

last year

And didn't get a single Cy Young vote...Not even for third place...

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I am seriously so incensed about this right

now that I could punch someone in the face. Not only are his stats light years better than Zambrano's, they are nearly IDENTICAL to Cole Hamels' - The only real difference being that Hamels has 16 more strikeouts.

Holy shit, I'm pissed off.

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Simontacchi!

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

My apologies, Harang has 28 BB, 100 Ks

still better

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Upset about Harang...

but there's a lot of very suspect decisions here.
People here in NYC are incensed about John Maine being snubbed:

9-4, 2.74 ERA, 38 BB, 84 K, 1.15 WHIP

Homerism aside, I can make a case that Maine deserves to be in there ahead of Hamels, Zambrano, or Harang.

I load LaRussa.

by ctnyc on Jul 2, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions

Dunn got boned, too

Rowand? Come on.

by Geki on Jul 1, 2007 7:13 PM EDT reply actions

So did Eric Byrnes

this is one huge joke

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Rowland

I voted for him he is having a great all around season. I was surprised about Dunn though, I guess ESPN and FSN ruined his career by telling people outside Reds Nation he is the left handed Richie Sexson. Oh well

"Yeah, well the Reds were first in spring training this year"-My friend after a Red Sox fan said the Reds suck.

by Zach K on Jul 1, 2007 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions

harang

I wonder why this guy gets the shaft? Wasn't he the first guy in History to do the Pitchers Triple Crown and not garner a single vote of the Cy Young?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 1, 2007 7:15 PM EDT reply actions

He didn't win the Triple Crown

He wasn't even in the top 10 for ERA. That's what hurt him in Cy Young voting.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Triple Crown categoris are subjective...

You guys say ERA doesn't matter, so it's not included in this debate.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Can I ask what your Triple Crown is, then?

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

We'll go with Wins, Strikeouts, and Complete Games

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought you'd go with

Games Started, Batters Faced, and Strikeouts. He won that Triple Crown too.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Well if that's what you want...Go with it...

But stop hating him. He's a great pitcher, and your venomous attitude towards him has got to stop.

Give the guy a break...

His leading the league in strikeouts is a good thing, unlike your favorite player in the world.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions

chandrathan,

I know that I, Slyde, do not have your superior intellect and education, but could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions

No way...

It's just fun to say ridiculous things to you sometimes to try and get a reaction :-)

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry, I forgot the (bonus points) indicator.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

How could I have not picked up on that one?

Three Amigos.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

I thought it was obvious, but I forgot you were from Kentucky.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Well Crap...

Now I have to hate you again!

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

you don't hate me

You hate that you love me.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

i sit corrected

yeah he sucks

tied for first in wins and games started

led in K's and complete games

was second in shutouts

was third in innings pitched

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 1, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I never said he sucks

I'm just saying that when the writers only get 3 votes and ten other guys finish in front of him in the ERA race, I can see why he was left off of their ballots. I don't think it's right, but why would we expect the writers to look at something more than wins and ERA?

Harang should be an All Star this year, and it's silly that he's not even on the final vote list, but oh well.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Slyde hates Harang...

Poor Poor misguided Slyde.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Looks like the Reds fell short...

Of their goal of having every NL starter be from Cincinnati.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions

missed it by that much

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 1, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

And why...

Aaron Rowand over Adam Dunn?

Why Brian Fuentes over Aaron Harang (or even David Weathers, for that matter)?

WTF? Pinch hit Castro for Hamilton? What a Fiastro!!! Fire Narron!!!

by Paul Householder on Jul 1, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions

Adam Dunn is not a good player

Just ask anyone that watches the Reds every day from the broadcast booth.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

But Weathers

Is a savvy veteran, and he plays the game the right way, and he has almost as many saves as Fuentes, with a much lower ERA.

WTF? Pinch hit Castro for Hamilton? What a Fiastro!!! Fire Narron!!!

by Paul Householder on Jul 1, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Not only that

Fuentes just lost his closer job.

by Red Menace on Jul 1, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Rowand over Dunn

Rowand is the only CF on the bench. But even disregarding that I think he's the better pick. Rowand has not stopped hitting yet, putting up a 313/391/481, 128 OPS+ line and playing a very good CF (top VORP for NL CFers). He gives up some power to Dunn obviously (267/357/568, 133 OPS+), but I think he deserves to go based on a better OBP and much better defense.

Fuentes on the roster over Harang, Oswalt, Young, Webb, Soriano, etc. is a joke.

by ken on Jul 1, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Tom Gorzelanny

Man oh man, that ERA makes him look spiffy, eh? Harang has him in every other category.

I seriously need to leave before I break my computer.

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:21 PM EDT reply actions

Freddy Sanchez?!

Picked for what - winning the batting title last year? Hitting 305/335/380, 90 OPS+. No need for another Pitt rep with Gorzelanny on the roster, and with Hudson there's already another 2B. BP: 269/317/463, 98 OPS+, with better speed and defense. Sanchez is 12th in VORP for NL 2B this year. 12th. I'd rather have another SS (Ramirez got shafted more than anyone).

by ken on Jul 1, 2007 7:39 PM EDT reply actions

Sanchez is the Pirates rep

Gorzelanny is one of the possbilities

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Aye

but Gorzelanny could just have been picked outright and then someone else could be voted in. Ramirez did get shafted, but the pundits would have been outraged if Hardy wasn't picked despite the fact that he's been slumping for the last month and a half.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone know

how many slots the players pick, vs. TLR? And who the players picked? I forgot about this wrinkle.

by ken on Jul 1, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Lets not forget

that TLR thinks Harang beans guys in the head on purpose.

by Blue on Jul 1, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply actions

I'm convinced TLR is behind this nonsense.

Although I'd like to see what would have happened had Harang not given up 5 runs in his last outing. Since all of those bastards are so in love with ERA, could they have ignored an Aaron Harang with a sub-3.5 ERA? ...probably.

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

That's right

I had forgotten that. I'm guessing that played into it, at least a little.

Of course, hasn't Zambrano been in a fight with the Cardinals before? I'm assuming that's true since he's fought just about everyone else.

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 1, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Check this out...

Espn is doing a poll about All Star Snubs

And under the question:
Who was the biggest snub among NL pitchers?

Harang is not even an option!

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions

JEFF FRANCIS!?

Ash-Hulk is threatening to return. Ash smash!

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

While I was waiting on you the other night...

I looked through the Reds team shop.

They had some Cincinnati Reds Hulk Hands in there.

You should totally get a pair!

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 1, 2007 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I might have to do that.

Think lucky and if that doesn't work, blame it on the rookies. - Jerry Narron's philosophy on baseball

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Cy Young

I beat this drum back in October, but I can't get angry about the Harang CYA vote (this all star snub is another matter). It's a little disingenuous to trumpet that he led the league in wins without mentioning that he tied with 5 other players. With the writers only getting three votes not all of the wins leaders could get some love (and the closers siphoning votes didn't help). Yes, he also led in strikeouts but he would have had the highest ERA ever for a Cy Young winner. I maintain Arroyo had the better year.

by Red Menace on Jul 1, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think Harrang was close to being

the biggest snub, the reds are a last place small market team so that is a big factor why.

Orlando Caberea, Brett Harpe, Edgar Reteria and Jeremy Bonderman have more to complain about.

and how did Brian Funtes make the team?

"Yeah, well the Reds were first in spring training this year"-My friend after a Red Sox fan said the Reds suck.

by Zach K on Jul 1, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions

So because the Cubs are a .500 team

and in Chicago, Carlos Zambrano deserves to be on the "final vote" list over Harang?

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

No

I didn't say it was fair but most people on this blog see how baseball shouldn't change giving big market teams all the breaks it can rather than small. With that said I don't belive in the every team gets an All-Star Rule...Gene Meche and even Carl Crawford don't deserve to be in the game at all

"Yeah, well the Reds were first in spring training this year"-My friend after a Red Sox fan said the Reds suck.

by Zach K on Jul 1, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Gene Meche - Gil's evil twin brother

just to recap, you're saying that you, and most people on this blog, see that baseball should give breaks to the big market teams. As in Zambrano a crack at the AS team over Harang?

I don't get it.

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions

No

I agree with you that harrang should be in over Carlos Z, But most people on this blog not me think that Baseball is fine this way. If Carlos Z played for the reds do you really think he would be there? No and everybody is SO shocked by this. I knew Harrang would get snubbed he would have to go 12-0, 1.23ERA and 2002342Ks to even get ESPN to metion him

"Yeah, well the Reds were first in spring training this year"-My friend after a Red Sox fan said the Reds suck.

by Zach K on Jul 1, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

gotcha

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions

ESPN

I'm a little confused about what you're saying, but I'll try to respond anyways.

The competitive field of MLB is clearly unbalanced. This used to bother me greatly, however things have improved with the last two labor contracts. Additionally smart small market teams have shown that it can be done. There's no salary cap coming so we have to live with it.

That said, the ESPN hate really confuses me. I'm no fan of the Worldwide Leader, but people get way too upset about it. Maybe it's because I have no interest in hearing the talking heads discuss the Reds, but I don't think that ESPN should give more coverage to our beloved team that hasn't had a winning record in 7 years. Does anyone think a national audience would rather see Cincinnati play on Sunday night than Yanks-Sox?

The all star selection raises this point again. How is ESPN purported to influence the players' and managers' selections? There have been egregious all star snubs as long as there have been all star games (one year some team's fans voted in like, their whole lineup). You can't lay this on Bristol.

by Red Menace on Jul 2, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah that monday night football thing

isn't doing so well, who wants to see Indy play Cincy, who wants to see KC play Denver...I like ESPN too but to say the MLB has the same competive balance? not sure about that sure you have teams like the INdians in the 90 but let's see Yankees 26 World series, St Louis is second with 9. After 1990 where did Randy M, Paul O'Neil and others go to play. NFLs salary cap lets most teams keep star players and is more strategy based than baseball is now. THink how good Oakland and the twins would be with a sallary cap. I know someone brought up how the NFL has only had one more team in the superbowl than the world series the past 10 years but the patriots have been there 3 times and won it 3 times but didn't buy the best players to do it.

"Yeah, well the Reds were first in spring training this year"-My friend after a Red Sox fan said the Reds suck.

by Zach K on Jul 2, 2007 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions

I must not be explaining myself well

I'm going bullet-point:

*I don't actually like ESPN. Not even a little bit. I just think a lot of the hate is unwarranted.

*MLB does not have competitive balance. It's unfair. It's certainly nothing like the NFL.

*It's been unfair throughout it's history, but things got especially bad in the late 90s when local TV contracts exploded.

*Since then the luxury tax has made a difference. Teams like Oakland and Minnesota have shown small markets can succeed to some degree. Teams like Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay have undermined calls for additional revenue sharing.

*Baseball will never have a balanced playing field so I don't bother calling for one.

*Aside from these issues of competitive balance, I see no reason to constantly snipe at ESPN like a lot of people do. They focus on the best teams and interesting matchups (tonight's game was Detroit-Minnesota). I don't think they affect the ASG selections. Also they're idiots.

by Red Menace on Jul 2, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Thank You

I just like to bring up The NFL! haha It's getting late my man should be a big off day tomorow so i'll ttyl

"Yeah, well the Reds were first in spring training this year"-My friend after a Red Sox fan said the Reds suck.

by Zach K on Jul 2, 2007 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

question

If Harang got into much-publicized fights would that help him in these matters? He's pretty anonymous. I think it would introduce everyone to the 'tang.

by Red Menace on Jul 1, 2007 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

We should come up with a plan, Menace.

We could do some publicity for the man.

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 1, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd fight him...

but I'm still on probation from this time my dad and I beat up the White Sox first base coach.

by Red Menace on Jul 1, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Had the change in manager been orchestrated

properly and in a more timely manner, Red Mennace would be thinking about which players he would be choosing for the 2008 ASG to fill out the roster. With Narron gone and a professional interim manager in place, RM will be named Red's manager before the 2007 World Series. ( You really should think about Paul as your bench coach).

"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." Satchel Paige

by Madville on Jul 2, 2007 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions

I've been thinking about this...

I think I'd be a better GM than manager, despite the fact that the decisions a GM makes are often very hard and the decisions a manager makes are very easy. Malcolm Gladwell makes a pretty good case here that the average fan would be a better GM than the bad ones.

As for managing, the players wouldn't respect me one bit. I can't really imagine a group of people I'd have a harder time communicating with than professional baseball players. The only advantage I could possible offer is speaking Spanish to the Latinos.

by Red Menace on Jul 2, 2007 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions

brendansmom

LOL

no way you'll win with tadel144 scooping narron getting the axe.

Nobody listens to Andrew. Wayne... You're Next !

by nlt-andrew68 on Jul 2, 2007 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Aaron Harang Didn't Make the team

Because Tony LaRussa is still pissed that Harang hit Gary Bennett in the head with a pitch. Remember his whiney-ass rant that Harang should be suspended? I guarantee you that is a reason he didn'e even make the Final Fan Vote.

F-N LaRussa.

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by MixFMKyle on Jul 2, 2007 8:34 AM EDT reply actions

remember this moment--I'm defending TLR

Here's the non-fan selections by players or managers:

* - only rep from team

AL PLAYER SELECTIONS:
Brian Roberts - BAL*
Carlos Guillen - DET
Jorge Posada - NYY
Grady Sizemore - CLE
Justin Morneau - MIN
Torii Hunter - MIN
Manny Ramirez - BOS
Mike Lowell - BOS
Justin Verlander - DET
C.C. Sabathia - CLE
Josh Beckett - BOS
John Lackey - LAA
Dan Haren - OAK*
Francisco Rodriguez - LAA
Jon Papelbon - BOS
J.J. Putz - SEA

AL MANAGER SELECTIONS:
Carl Crawford - TB*
Michael Young - TEX*
Alexis Rios - TOR*
Victor Martinez - CLE
Gil Meche - KC*
Johan Santana - MIN
Bobby Jenks - CHW*
-----------------------------
NL PLAYER SELECTIONS:
Derrek Lee - CHC
Orlando Hudson - ARI
J.J. Hardy - MIL
Miguel Cabrera - FLA*
Alfonso Soriano - CHC
Carlos Lee - HOU*
Matt Holliday - COL
Brian McCann - ATL
Jake Peavy - SD
John Smoltz - ATL
Ben Sheets - MIL
Brad Penny - LAD
Cole Hamels - PHI
Brian Fuentes - COL
Francisco Cordero - MIL
Trevor Hoffman - SD

NL MANAGER SELECTIONS:
Albert Pujols - STL*
Dmitri Young - WAS*
Freddy Sanchez - PIT*
Takashi Saito - LAD
Billy Wagner - NYM
Jose Valverde - ARI
Aaron Rowand - PHI

You can see here how much Leyland and Larussa's hands were tied. Leyland didn't add any Tigers and only took V-Mart and Johan after filling his quotas. Larussa only picked Pujols to fill the Cards hole, and added Saito, Wagner, Valverde and Rowand.

by Red Menace on Jul 2, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions

I always knew you were a TLR apologist

I don't know why chandrathan is so mad at me. That guy is cuh-razy.

by Slyde on Jul 2, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Biggest Snubs in the NL

Here is how to fix the problem

NO Brian Funtes GET Tom Gorzeally

NO Freddy Sanzhez GET Edgar Reteria

NO John Smotz GET Chris Young

Harrang gets a shit load of Run Suport and has a higher ERA than both, I love the guy and he is a good pitcher but I think Young has a much better case so does Edgar. Gorzeally is the Lone Pirate to get rid of an All-Star Closer who isn't a closer any more...

"Yeah, well the Reds were first in spring training this year"-My friend after a Red Sox fan said the Reds suck.

by Zach K on Jul 2, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions