YADD: Solo Home Runs
sigh...
Things are dreary in Redland, so I thought I'd embark on a futile exercise. First an anecdote: Last Wednesday I was watching the game at a bar. After Dunn's home run a friend and fellow Reds fan came in from smoking a cigarette. "Dunn just homered," I said. "Oh yeah?" he replied checking the score. "Huh. Figures it was a solo shot."
For some reason the unfairness of this increasingly common observance stuck with me. I later saw the same sentiment expressed here. It just feels like Dunn hits too many solo shots, right? (it certainly doesn't feel like he ever hits a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth, down three with a full count). So I reluctantly probe into the matter, fully aware that I have zero chance of convincing anyone of anything (and for the record I think Dunn has flaws).
2007 Bases Occupied Splits (apologies to those with low resolutions)
I Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF ROE GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-- ---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
RISP 33 49 39 7 0 0 3 14 10 1 17 0 0 0 0 1 .179 .347 .410 .757 .211 99 71 RISP
--- 45 111 96 29 7 1 6 6 14 0 33 1 0 0 1 0 .302 .396 .583 .979 .404 170 117 ---
Men On 41 84 71 14 0 1 6 21 13 1 31 0 0 0 0 8 .197 .321 .479 .800 .235 109 77 Men On
1-- 26 35 32 7 0 1 3 7 3 0 14 0 0 0 0 7 .219 .286 .563 .849 .267 119 83 1--
-2- 14 16 13 2 0 0 0 2 3 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 .154 .313 .154 .467 .250 26 15 -2-
--3 3 3 3 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .333 .333 1.333 1.666 .000 296 239 --3
12- 17 19 14 2 0 0 1 3 5 0 8 0 0 0 0 1 .143 .368 .357 .725 .200 107 67 12-
1-3 6 6 6 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 .167 .334 .250 -15 -23 1-3
-23 2 2 1 1 0 0 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000 1.000 4.000 5.000 undef 1115 917 -23
123 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .333 .000 .333 .000 4 -8 123
Dunn's .179 avg with RISP certainly won't win him any fans, but our concern here is chiefly the home runs.
Bases Empty 6
Runners on 6
1-run 6
2-run 4
3-run 2
4-run 0
I strongly suspect this isn't out of the ordinary. Here's Griffey's 11 home runs:
Bases Empty 6
Runners on 5
1-run 6
2-run 4
3-run 1
4-run 0
I was in a bar when Griffey smacked his tonight (this seems to be a habit with me) and I didn't hear anyone lament that it was a solo shot.
Does anyone have the average percentage of homeruns that are solo, etc? We've played this game before, but here are the career percentage of various players solo shots to their total home runs.
Derek Jeter 67.7%
David Ortiz 63.3%
Barry Bonds 59.1%
Adam Dunn 56.6%
Reggie Jackson 54.7%
Alex Rodriguez 52.2%
If we continue won't we find that nearly all players hit 50-60 percentage of their homeruns with no one on base (note:Jeter, as a frequent leadoff man is penalized in the above exercise. What's Big Papi's excuse?)
Can we retired this odd criticism? If Dunn leads off an inning (batting sixth) and hits a home run can he be praised? If blame must be passed can it be given to the players who made out before Dunn reached the plate? Can I stop this?
Probably not. If it feels like all of Dunn's home runs are solo shots there's no arguing with that. The Reds keep losing and I'm sad.
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im sad
by boobs on May 26, 2007 4:14 AM EDT 0 recs
table doesn't fit for me, either
Anyway, I don't think league averages for solo vs. runners on homers would mean much. It's as much a reflection on the team as on the hitter. Can't hit a multi-run shot if no one gets on base.
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by BubbaFan on May 26, 2007 7:15 AM EDT 0 recs
solo shots
by Caleb on May 26, 2007 8:10 AM EDT 0 recs
We don't have this data for everyone
Aaron - 351 solo, 317 mob
Bonds - 441 solo, 304 mob
Ruth - no splits
Mays - 274 solo, 228 mob
Sosa - 322 solo, 276 mob
Robinson - 300 solo, 248 mob
McGwire - 306 solo, 277 mob
Griffey - 311 solo, 263 mob
Killebrew - 271 solo, 293 mob
Palmeiro - 329 solo, 240 mob
Something not noted here that should be is the number of plate appearances in each bucket. That would affect the percentages as much as anything.

2007 Reds Threat Level is Green
by Slyde on
May 26, 2007 8:18 AM EDT
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so Killebrew
by Caleb on
May 26, 2007 8:45 AM EDT
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yeah
by Red Menace on
May 26, 2007 11:06 AM EDT
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A couple of things
I Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF ROE GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-- ---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
RISP 33 49 39 7 0 0 3 14 10 1 17 0 0 0 0 1 .179 .347 .410 .757 .211 99 71 RISP
--- 45 111 96 29 7 1 6 6 14 0 33 1 0 0 1 0 .302 .396 .583 .979 .404 170 117 ---
Men On 41 84 71 14 0 1 6 21 13 1 31 0 0 0 0 8 .197 .321 .479 .800 .235 109 77 Men On
1-- 26 35 32 7 0 1 3 7 3 0 14 0 0 0 0 7 .219 .286 .563 .849 .267 119 83 1--
-2- 14 16 13 2 0 0 0 2 3 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 .154 .313 .154 .467 .250 26 15 -2-
--3 3 3 3 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .333 .333 1.333 1.666 .000 296 239 --3
12- 17 19 14 2 0 0 1 3 5 0 8 0 0 0 0 1 .143 .368 .357 .725 .200 107 67 12-
1-3 6 6 6 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 .167 .334 .250 -15 -23 1-3
-23 2 2 1 1 0 0 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000 1.000 4.000 5.000 undef 1115 917 -23
123 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .333 .000 .333 .000 4 -8 123
Secondly, here is the break down the last two seasons on HR with Runners on and without:
2007
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runners on: 580
bases empty: 763
Percentage solo: 57%
2006
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runners on: 2297
bases empty: 3089
Percentage solo: 57%
I'd do more seasons, but I don't think they'll look much different.

2007 Reds Threat Level is Green
by Slyde on May 26, 2007 8:10 AM EDT 0 recs
Tsk tsk
by teb7 on May 26, 2007 9:27 AM EDT 0 recs
What about the ratio of Strikeouts w/MOB ?
by Madville on May 26, 2007 9:34 AM EDT 0 recs
wouldn't that need to include...
by Caleb on
May 26, 2007 10:45 AM EDT
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Pitchers
by pw on May 26, 2007 9:42 AM EDT 0 recs
So, you mean...
No, I think he's just fat and lazy and Un-Clutch.
by BLee2525 on
May 26, 2007 9:50 AM EDT
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Thanks, RM
I think in this situation, it's important to look at not only the number of home runs, but also the rate at which they're hit. A person who takes half their AB's with runners on base SHOULD hit half his HR's with runners on base. Dunn's career splits:
None on - 1694AB, 119HR, 14.2AB/HR
Runners on - 1305AB, 91HR, 14.3AB/HR
Dunn hits 56% of his home runs with nobody on base because Dunn takes 56% of his at-bats with nobody on base.
by BLee2525 on May 26, 2007 9:48 AM EDT 0 recs
kudos
by Red Menace on
May 26, 2007 11:11 AM EDT
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Dunn's K ratios (for Madville)
Overall: 997 K in 3662 PA, 27.06% K rate
Bases Empty: 541 K in 1961 PA, 27.59% K rate
Runners on: 450 K in 1701 PA, 26.46% K rate
RISP: 258 K in 1003 PA, 25.72% K rate
Dunn strikes out less than his average with runners on base, and he strikes out even less than that with runners in scoring position. Stats taken from Baseball Reference.
by teb7 on May 26, 2007 10:08 AM EDT 0 recs
Statistically Adam Dunn
Lets not trade him after all.
by Madville on
May 26, 2007 10:27 AM EDT
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Agreed
I do have a sense he shies from "big" situations. But I admit that with full knowledge that I can't trust a vague impression to be true.
by Man Mountain on
May 26, 2007 12:02 PM EDT
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my curiousity is now peaked
by Caleb on May 26, 2007 12:58 PM EDT 0 recs
Caleb
Split PA HR HR Rate BB BB Rate
2 outs, RISP 1226 47 26.1 188 6.5
Late & Close 1974 96 20.6 190 10.4
Tie Game 2404 97 24.8 259 9.3
Within 1 R 4590 201 22.8 480 9.6
Within 2 R 6091 271 22.5 634 9.6
Within 3 R 7072 314 22.5 734 9.6
Within 4 R 7657 335 22.9 796 9.6
Margin > 4 R 1002 53 18.9 94 10.7
On the surface, without looking in much detail, it looks like Johnny homered more with the game well-in/well-out of hand. However, his walk rate also went down in those situations, so it could just be that pitchers were pitching to him more in those situations with very little to risk. Either way, I'd say his rates are reasonably consistent though in tie games he did have a slightly lower homer rate.
I didn't post Dunn's because I want you to go look at BBRef yourself. If you can't see his splits, let me know and I will post them. However, a year ago this kind of stuff was much harder to find, but now it's ridiculously easy. I don't mind posting these types of things - I understand that people don't really want to look them up themselves and I like doing that stuff - but I wanted to take this instance to proselytize for BBRef since it really has made the world of statistical minutia so much more accessible to all.

2007 Reds Threat Level is Green
by Slyde on
May 26, 2007 1:26 PM EDT
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but they look so
It is easier to find those stats now. Even an old school guy like me can find them
by Caleb on
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