tonight's line-up

by nlt-andrew68 on May 14, 2007 9:52 PM EDT Comment 179 comments

Line ups per somebody else

Cincinnati

R. Freel 3b
S. Hatteberg 1b
K. Griffey Jr.
B. Phillips 2b
A. Dunn lf
J. Hamilton cf
A. Gonzalez ss
J. Valentin c
M. Belisle p

San Diego
M. Giles 2b
J. Cruz Jr. lf
B. Giles rf
A. Gonzalez 1b
K. Greene ss
M. Cameron cf
J. Bard c
K. Kouzmanoff 3b
G. Maddux p

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by Caleb on May 14, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice block!

I was going to do the same thing.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take the first.

I feel a win coming...

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on May 14, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think the feeling you had

was flu like symptoms

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lineup

I can deal with this. I think Dunn can do a lot of damage down in the order, and I wouldn't oppose a move to 7th.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Grande

"Thursday is Arroyo against the strikeout king, Jake Peavy." Isn't Harang the reigning strikeout king?

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

possibility

Wonder how many San Diegans will be involved in a "slumpbuster" the next couple days...

looking California, and feeling Minnesota...

by obc on May 14, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Posting...

watching the game... and "playing" with GeoTrax..

Go Reds?

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kearns

Did anyone see Smotlz get pissy about Kearns today?

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Link?

Is there a link to the story?

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Game Recap

It's a developing story, so there isn't much out there. And BB2N already covered it because Bergmann almost threw a no hitter. Here's the game recap.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20070514_ATL@WAS

Kearns was trying to avoid Smoltz. Smoltz tagged him and immediately started jumping around and threw his glove down on the ground. Then Smoltz was seen flailing his forearm out as if bitch about what Kearns did. But the replay clearly shows Kearns really just giving up on the play. In fact, as soon as Smoltz started screaming, Kearns froze as if he didn't know what happened.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could that be the play

where Smoltz got hurt? I read he dislocated his pinkie on his pitching hand.

by cesarhernandez on May 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

He really looked like a baby throwing a fit. And then he tried to blame it on Kearns, who was genuinely concerned.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Smoltz is a jerk.

Never cared much for Smoltz.

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

have we ever had a 1st inning bohica?

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow that was a really bad throw

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Junya's arm.

It just isn't what it used to be..

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Griffey

It looked like a cannon but with the accuracy of . . . a cannon, I guess.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yuck

Where was that throw going to, Griff?

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and Hamilton took a really bad route

to that ball

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Man..

And I told the wife I'd come up when it started to get out of hand..

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sigh

Not off to a fortuitous start here.

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by BubbaFan on May 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's these kind of nights.

That the bullpen pitches decent.

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

exactly

Reds give up early runs and they can't hit and the pen is ok

Reds get good hitting and the pen blows up

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

JR

I went back and looked at some early predictions and found this:

By Caleb
Posted on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 07:21:44 PM EDT
[Edit Diary]
Going into tonight's game Griffey and Jackson are tied for tenth all time in Home Runs with 563. I'm hoping that Griffey will break the tie tonight and would love to see it happen on this road trip. Here are my Griffey Hr predictions:

Season - 39
#1 (564) April 10 @ Arizona - passes Jackson
#7 (570) May 24 vs Washington - passes Palmeiro
#11 (574) June 2 @ Colorado - passes Killebrew
#21 (584) July 16 @ Atl - passes McGwire
#24 (587) August 7 vs LA - passes F Robinson
#37 (600) September 12 vs St Louis - 600 career
#39 (602) September 26 vs Houston

No basis for anything here, certainly nothing Slydesque in the way of charts, formulas or graphs rather just my gut feeling. Hope springs eternal. Go Reds

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

San Diego is the balls

wait, that means good. San Diego is the sweaty balls.

by Brendanukkah on May 14, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sweeet Lord

Looks like I haven't missed much. Well, nothing good anyway.

When does this team get to leave "baseball Hell"?

Wanted: A win. (Let's start simple.)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sigh

another 1-2-3 quiet inning

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

San Diego

Whale's Vagina is kicking our ass early. As usual when we are on the west coast.

by bphil2b on May 14, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's why!

People get on Dunn's defense. It so looked like he could catch that if he wanted to.

For someone who is "surprisingly fast" it doesn't SEEM like he uses that speed when playing the outfield.

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

fast is not as important

as being able to judge a ball.

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True but.,.

The one thing that has ALWAYS bugged me about Dunn is that it seems to me that he is a loaf in right field.

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

loaf

He must be loafing pretty good to get all the way over the right field.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Belizzle looks like a pitching machine

set on batting practice tonight. I'd be shocked if he gets through three innings

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I never..

had a pitching machine hit me in the ribs before.

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not so fast

Put a tennis ball or different size baseball in that machine and it will definately plunk you. Deception is the key. Not that I know from experience.

by bphil2b on May 14, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i've been hit by both a

baseball and a tennis ball from a pitching machine. Both left their mark. :)

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah!

Drill his ass!

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

damn that ball was hit hard

nice job to get even one out

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Is Marcus Giles on the ALS team?

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bush League Night

at the old ballpark. Goodness..

by snohio on May 14, 2007 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

maybe we should root

for the no-hitter

"Swing away, Bronson." -- sayeth Chris Welsh.

by boobs on May 14, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

no hitter

or maybe the perfect game? WHich Maddux has going through three.

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dont mention it

i want it to come true

"Swing away, Bronson." -- sayeth Chris Welsh.

by boobs on May 14, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lifeless again today.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And just like that . . .

the Dodgers trail the Cardinals 6-0 in the second inning.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the Red Reporter

needs to either shave the stubble or grow the full beard. Then let him return to stubble after the Reds have either a winning road trip or homestand.

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good idea.

Don't stop there, though... lose the tie, new hat, whatever it takes.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that should be scored as an error

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

does anybody else

hear that circus music playing in the background? "dee dee diddlity dee dee, dee, dee, dee, dum, diddlity dee dee dee..."

"Swing away, Bronson." -- sayeth Chris Welsh.

by boobs on May 14, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not I

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow 5-0 already

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Boy

Hamilton suddenly looks a little out of his depth in CF.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named "Bubba"?

by BubbaFan on May 14, 2007 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reds looking out of depth

in the Major Leagues.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

You have a point.

But I really don't think the team is that bad. The starting pitching is good (Belisle's rough night notwithstanding). The offense is okay. It's the bullpen that's killing us. And maybe some less than stellar defense.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named "Bubba"?

by BubbaFan on May 14, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh. Hyperbole.

Mostly frustration over something I can do nothing about.

I know this will pass, but for now, it just hurts.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Belisle making Kouzmanoff look good.

::sigh::

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kouzmanoff

Sounds like bad russian vodka....

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on May 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Leave him out there

No sense killing the bullpen at this point. Belisle just has to take one for the team tonight.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named "Bubba"?

by BubbaFan on May 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

do you leave belizzle in

to take one for the team and eat up some innings?

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I guess if Burton is here, might

as well see waht he can do. Then again, that's virtually conceding defeat. We'll see what Jerry has to say, I guess.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why not

Throw Stanton in the 4th so we can all go to bed early?

by bphil2b on May 14, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The way we're hitting,

this game will be over in about two hours.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maddux

how about throwing him up and in on an obvious bunt? Just once dust his arrogant ass

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

boom boom clap

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

perfect game!!

perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!! perfect game!!

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What's that, Caleb?

Maddux is throwing a perfect game?

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Questec at Petco?

Maddux isn't getting the strike called off the corners like he usually gets.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

how was that 3rd on Grif?

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

Against both Dunn and Griff. The "Maddux" strike is alive and well.

by Reds123 on May 14, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I think that question was answered.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice inning from Belisle there.

Perhaps the offense can show a little life now?

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

just got here

Guess maddux would have completed that no-hitter in LA last year, huh?

looking California, and feeling Minnesota...

by obc on May 14, 2007 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Phillips

Did Brandon stop for a cheeseburger on the way to first? I thought it was going to be a lot closer than that.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Gapper tackled him.

Rosie Red stopped for some skyline, and Mr. Redlegs came out of nowhere to win the race.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's scuffing!

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Check the bill of his cap!

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what is he crying about now?

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reds

Have the Reds hit one out of the infield yet?

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, Phillips hit one to

deep left earlier, caught in front of the warning track.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah

thanks.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why am I still watching this?

ahhhhhhh the punishment of Reds baseball

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Same reason I am..

Because we MIGHT see something special from Maddux. First Reds hit I'm heading to bed..

by snohio on May 14, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

First sign of life from the Reds, I'm checking out.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

still got the perfecto

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yikes

Who dat? She a whole lotta woman.

looking California, and feeling Minnesota...

by obc on May 14, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

back off

she's pregnant.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thursday off day

Who gets the axe on Thursday? It's coming, right? Right?

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Trent thinks...

...we'll be seeing Marcus McBeth soon.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named "Bubba"?

by BubbaFan on May 14, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who goes down?

Or away?

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coutalangus?

by snohio on May 14, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zing!

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup. Walked right into that one.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brantley and Grande

on TV during the Cleveland series. That'll be interesting.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nothing going right

Even when Belisle gets a K, the runner reaches 1B.

Sigh...

by Reds123 on May 14, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Spicoli on First.

Greene looks like Spicoli in Mr. Hands History Class.

by snohio on May 14, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

who gets the first Reds hit and when?

looking California, and feeling Minnesota...

by obc on May 14, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Either the pinch hitter in the 6th

or Griffey in the 7th.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Griffey

first inning . . . Wednesday.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

that's it for me. I was going to hang around for one more Reds at bat, but that might be a while.

The only way the Reds aren't getting no-hit tonight is if Maddux gets hurt.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

BP in the 8th

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

just hit maddux

by Caleb on May 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure who's upsetting me more

The Reds or the Fathers. Either way, I'm an unhappy camper.

by Brendanukkah on May 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

7-0 now

Wow. Wheels are flying off...

by Reds123 on May 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hire Maddux

as our HITTING coach..

by snohio on May 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Could be worse?

8 - 0 StL over LaD.

by snohio on May 14, 2007 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Dodgers?

The Dodgers who just swept us? That's even more depressing.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LA Scored.

So I guess it is worse than that now. They aren't getting shut-out (no-hit).

by snohio on May 14, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

here we go

three more outs and our boy maddux is into the seventh with the you-know-what. sgo greg!

"Swing away, Bronson." -- sayeth Chris Welsh.

by boobs on May 14, 2007 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

enough of guessing when we get

our hit, lets guess when the fire sale begins

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

bat

New bat? Must have hit that one too hard. Pick one that shatters on contact, Alex.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I wrote that before it happened!

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maddux chopping some wood

looking California, and feeling Minnesota...

by obc on May 14, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Javy! nicely done

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

shit

there goes history

"Swing away, Bronson." -- sayeth Chris Welsh.

by boobs on May 14, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank you, Javy.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Wanted: A hit. (Desperate times...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Javy

Night everyone.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ditto

no history tonite

by bphil2b on May 14, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i really mean greg nicely done

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Goodnight

Who had LLM in the poll?

Guess we all can go to bed now..

by snohio on May 14, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No-No gone

Valentin doubles

by Reds123 on May 14, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

did Rijo just bat?

looking California, and feeling Minnesota...

by obc on May 14, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Congrats Jeff

The Reds own Maddux.

by Brian B on May 14, 2007 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

except Farney

:-P

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by BubbaFan on May 14, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Runner on 3rd, less than two outs

How do we screw it up today? GIDP, baby.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

6-4-3

Inning over.

by Reds123 on May 14, 2007 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I keep hearing Burton is a

'power arm' anyone know what he tops out at ?

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Gameday has him at 95 tonight so far

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Base hit, BP

17 game hitting streak.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What is this leadership they speak of ?

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Listening to Grande and Welsh

talk about club leadership and speaking up and apathy... So, they're saying that someone needs to step up, it should be a player, and it needs to be someone who has been here a while. But not Junior, as he does it "in his own way."

Apparently guys are telling them that they just lose, go home and come back the next day. Doesn't really bother them. Or something. WHAT!? Seriously?

Ugh.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 14, 2007 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

do you think...

...they've already given up?

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by BubbaFan on May 14, 2007 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems like it...

And that pisses me off. These guys make, what is league minimum now? at least $300k each and seem have given up six weeks into the season. Meanwhile, people like me spend money to buy season tickets and are forced to watch this apathetic crap for the remaining 4 1/2 months of the season.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't.

But sometimes a game against Greg Maddux can sure make it look like a team has.

Baseball is a very random sport and we can tend to attribute result to effort- be that positive or negative result- too often.

Right now the Reds aren't hitting well, aren't pitching well and are losing a lot. I attribute that a lot more to talent than I do effort, though.

by Reds123 on May 15, 2007 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree that a game like this

where the pitcher just owns you, can make things look worse. Unfortunately, things looked bad before tonight's game even started. And now Chris and George are talking about how some guys in the clubhouse are surprised that everyone just goes home after the game as if nothing had happened. IMHO, that's a really, really bad sign.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

But didn't we hear this Spring Training about how great the Reds' clubhouse chemistry was?

I've always felt like baseball players are just like fans as far as how they react to winning and losing over a 162-game season. Some get caught up in every moment and others simply aren't interested in getting that emotional about the result of something you'll do 162 times.

I don't really assign a "good" or "bad" too either. But I can see how it could result is a fractured clubhouse when things are going bad.

by Reds123 on May 15, 2007 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't recall hearing that about

the clubhouse in ST, but that doesn't mean it isn't true - I wasn't playing close attention this spring.

Things have got to be "fractured" in that clubhouse. Good word for it.

Wanted: A win. (One step at a time.)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was there anything...

...to that diary that claimed Brandon Phillips had mentioned "clubhouse issues"?

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no idea.

Could be. Anything is possible right now.

Wanted: A win. (One step at a time.)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i like Chris' inside information right there

"I talk to players you know but of course I can't say who" gee really

by OURob on May 14, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In a way

it makes sense that the players don't give a fuck because it's obvious that they're playing for a manager and a GM who don't act like they have a coherent plan or vision for the team. Between Narron's line-up bingo and Wayne's mistrust of team youth, what is there for the players to buy into. Where's the logic in bull-headedly staying with a washed up journeyman like Stanton, but benching or demoting EdE despite his tremendous promise?

The players play, but management sets the tone. And from my (admittedly distant) vantage the tone is "we don't know what the fuck we're doing."

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 14, 2007 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Part of me wants whatever needs to

happen for Narron to get the boot to happen. The other part of me wants to see this team win, no matter what. I'm seriously torn. As I said above, I've already spent money on this team for 2007, and dammit if I'm going to sit by and watch this crap as it unfolds.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

inside tip

Florence Freedom, Ash, Florence Freedom.

looking California, and feeling Minnesota...

by obc on May 15, 2007 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

$1 beers on certain nights, right?

MMMmmm... beer.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stanton pitches a perfect 8th.

Too bad we're down 7 runs.

snohio called it:
It's these kind of nights.
That the bullpen pitches decent.

Wanted: A run. (Thank you, Javy...)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sigh

Cheez Whiz, I'm seeing enough of this from the Yankees. When they pitch well, they don't hit, when they hit well, the pitching blows.

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Game over, Maddux owns the Reds.

David Wells tomorrow. We can beat him, right?

Wanted: A win. (One step at a time.)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Question

Haven't heard anything from Daedalus recently. Is she alright?

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

she posted at Trent's blog today

Like many, she's unhappy with the way things are going for the Reds.

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How do you keep up

with so many blogs and game feeds at once, BF?

I'm impressed with your posting prowess.

Do you run the intranets? ; )

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only one game feed tonight

The Bats played a morning game, and the Yanks have an off day.

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gary Glitter?

They're paying royalties to a child molester. :-P

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Gotta love

When we dont need the bullpen to pitch well at all they go out and slam the door shut UGHHHHH. Narron sucks at managing this bullpen im surprised he didnt run coffey out there tonight.

by Muggerd on May 15, 2007 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Honestly...

These guys suck! Fire Narron, blow up the team, whatever. Something needs to be done.

When does football season start again?

by bigjas on May 15, 2007 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I hope Krivsky is enjoying his trip out West.

Wanted: A win. (One step at a time.)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reds optioned out Keppinger

and... uh... oh, yeah, Livingston to AAA, brought up McBeth and, wait for it... Chad Moeller.

Yippie.

Wanted: A win. (One step at a time.)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

McBeth

something wicked this way comes.

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

at least

we have some new quotes to look forward to

by Caleb on May 15, 2007 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

interesting

Moeller's been hitting pretty well in Louisville. And maybe they think he can help the bullpen? He's supposed to be one of those catchers the pitchers love.

And might as well give McBeth a try. Maybe he'll be our closer.

Seems a little strange that they'd send down Keppinger before they can call up EE. Most clubs don't like to be short of infielders.

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Closer

The sad thing is that to have a closer would require save situations.

I'm beginning to think we really might have seen the last of Edwin in a Reds uni... Or maybe we just really need that third catcher as opposed to an infielder. I have no idea what's going on anymore.

Wanted: A win. (One step at a time.)

by Ash on May 15, 2007 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think EE will be back

They can't call him up yet. They just sent him down.

That said, EE isn't playing all that well in Louisville. Three errors in four games, hitting .235.

I wonder if they might call Bellhorn up. He has played well for the Bats. Of course, if they call him up, they'll have to keep him up, or risk losing him.

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My boyfriend

Chad Moeller is on the way back according to Trent. I hope he brought me a present.

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Narron will not make it back to Cincy

by Caleb on May 15, 2007 12:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How ya figure?

Bucky Dent to replace? Or does he go too?

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno...

I think his job is safe. Krivsky seemed astounded that the question was even asked.

Plus, firing the manager now would be basically giving up on the season.

Then there's the Josh Hamilton thing. They hired Narron's brother, just to support Hamilton. And yeah, I think he still needs the support. There's a high relapse rate with cocaine addiction. (See Strawberry, Darryl or Gooden, Dwight.)

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Krivsky seemed astounded

I just don't buy the truthfulness of that response from him anymore. He said today that he went with the team because they're 2-8. That he wouldn't be going with them if they were 8-2. But don't read anything into that. What? You're doing something that you wouldn't do under different circumstances, but don't read anything into that? Logic, much?

He seemed "shocked" the other day that there were questions about EdE being shopped, but you know he has asked around. I don't mind him asking questions and pursuing inquiries; that's his job. But don't act like firing the manager or trading players has never occured to you when the team is 11 games out of first on May 14th.

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

firing the manager = giving up on season?

Firing the manager seemed to work well for Florida in 2003.

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on May 15, 2007 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Narron is gone

Why even keep him around? Not like hes helping the team any. I think they should just no even have a manager and ask who wants to play. Cant be much worse.

by Muggerd on May 15, 2007 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Anyone up (drinking)?

I'm burning some CDs, so I might be around for awhile.

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

f

So Narron gets fired they hire Dent and then sign him for 4 years while never winning. When a new manager comes in it needs to be a guy that has no connection to the club at the moment. I dont care who the hell it is but it better not be a bench coach or a minor league manager.

by Muggerd on May 15, 2007 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

bring someone in from the outside, if you decide to change managers.

And please God not someone from the Twins, if only because we'll know that Krivsky has no creativity or imagination and is just going back to the same well.

Dunn is fun, but Griffey's spiffy.

by Man Mountain on May 15, 2007 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fire Krivsky, not Narron

Leo Durocher couldn't win with this team.

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on May 15, 2007 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Leo didn't win with many teams...

I don't ever remember him winning a pennant , or division, since I've been following baseball. But I did really enjoy his 1969 season. At least the end of it.

by Caleb on May 15, 2007 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Krivsky

Has only beeon the job for 2 years and only 1 off season. Im willing to give Wayne a little more time. I never see this team winning with Narron.

by Muggerd on May 15, 2007 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

postgame update from Trent

Postgame: Talked to Krivsky after everyone cleared out of the clubhouse.
"There won't be any panic, either," Krivsky said. "We've played how many games? 39?"
"We're using all our people, scouts, player development people, everyone has input on every decision I make," Krivsky said. "The people who have knowledge of the players are going to have input. Terry Reynolds, Ted Power, Rick Sweet, Mack Jenkins all had input on Marcus McBeth, and the guys had input on what catcher to call up."
"We're utilizing our people, that's how we're going to make good decisions, using our people. We're doing everything we can to win games."
Krivsky reiterated that firing Jerry Narron was "not on my radar"

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by BubbaFan on May 15, 2007 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He does know that's almost a quarter of the season

right? Hence, me not buying anyone using the excuse "It's still early." To overcome the hole we're in would take some kind of heroic effort from the entire team, and frankly I just don't see it happening. Cash in your chips for 2007, get over your veteran bullpen fetish and get whatever parts you can for the jokers you've got in there now. Bring up the young kids, especially EdE (but I would still leave Bailey down until at least the All-Star Break and maybe September).

1)Develop a plan
2)Stick with it
3)Realize that Narron, under optimal conditions, will hand you a .500 club
4)Find someone who will bring you over .500 in 2008. That's the year to contend.

by Brendanukkah on May 15, 2007 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

No way Narron ever gets players to win when they shouldnt. For every loss on the season i could pick out a move i didnt agree with. What kind of manager does that show if all your fans notice how bad he is. What do you think the players think?

by Muggerd on May 15, 2007 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fire

Both Wayne and Jerry. I can't take it anymore, they are now going to have 3 catchers again? I mean that worked so well last year and of course there is no other part of the team that needs help right now.

Please contribute to the Hats for Bats fund.

by Pilsner73 on May 15, 2007 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs