BREAKING - Encarnacion Optioned

Narron Hates Edwin...

Fire the buffoon and get a real manager in there, and Edwin will be fine.

Chandrathan is Pissed!

by chandrathan on May 10, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions

because if Narron hates EdE then Eddie's screwed at the majors. This way he can get regain confidence and who knows maybe he'll get a look-see at 1st base. But if Jerry really doesn't want him around you can bet that he's pushing to get rid of him permanantly for a reliever.

Brandon Phillips made a comment on the news about there being 'trouble' in the clubhouse. Lots of testosterone and ego in there...Narron is letting the whole thing turn to shit. I wouldn't say he's buffoon. He's just in way, way. way over his head.

Clever that Narron fellow

by Benchwarmer @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions

You tell 'em.

Such a different opinion this is.

No one will ever figure this one out.

by NoWayAmINEILYNGorBShakeyorDavidBriggsNopeNotMe on May 10, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

EdE

I don't agree with this move but it will be short term. He'll be back in the minimum time permitted would be my guess

by Caleb on May 10, 2007 10:34 AM EDT reply actions

I am begining to wonder

if Edwin is long for this team. I expect him to be traded.

GO REDS!

by ewquinn on May 10, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions

I think he will too

Jerry won't play him, and he's a solid prospect that we could get an arm or two for.

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on May 10, 2007 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions

Not anymore

sending him down really increases his value...not

by WayneNarron on May 10, 2007 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Hey now, look what we got for Kearns

...oh, shit.

by Brendanukkah on May 10, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Christ...

Yeah, scapegoating a young 3B will fix the pen.

This teams managerial staff is mental.

by Reds123 on May 10, 2007 10:37 AM EDT reply actions

Tired of this

Is anyone else tired of the way this team is treating EE? The guy is just starting to hit the ball well and he gets sent down for a bad defensive night. Hes the only right handed power threat the team has. Unless you count Sea Bass and Ko9, and I dont.

by CamIam on May 10, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions

Not seeing the forest for the trees

Sure, Edwin blew last night's game. But it wasn't third base that blew all those other games.

It really surprises me how they treat Edwin here. If he doesn't play perfectly in the field, they bench him immediately. It just seems like the exact wrong way to treat him, especially if they want to buy into the notion that they're a small-market team and need to develop their own stars to be competitive. You've got a great prospect in Edwin, but you aren't developing him at all. Sheesh.

Well, Keppinger and Hopper on the bench are okay, but so long to the days when the Reds would get a home run to win the game.

by Brendanukkah on May 10, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions

I feel your "Sheesh."

I"t just seems like the exact wrong way to treat him, especially if they want to buy into the notion that they're a small-market team and need to develop their own stars to be competitive. You've got a great prospect in Edwin, but you aren't developing him at all. Sheesh."

Amen brother. I concur. (Unless Narron is dealing with something that we don't know about. See: Josh Hancock. Not at all saying that there might be addiction/abuse issues here. Just that this could be justifiable "tough love" for EE.)

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Keppinger

No power...no speed... sounds like a great guy to call up.

by WayneNarron on May 10, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions

Edwin's hit a lot of balls...

That look like they are absolutely crushed, but only make it to the warning track. I wonder what the reason for that is?

Chandrathan is Pissed!

by chandrathan on May 10, 2007 10:42 AM EDT reply actions

Willie Mays Hays syndrome

Brantley said on the radio last night his swing is a complete upper cut ala Canseco circa '93

by WayneNarron on May 10, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Then he needs to be doing some pushup!

Chandrathan is Pissed!

by chandrathan on May 10, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Kinda surprised to see the Kid in the lineup

instead of Hopper, since it's a day game. But it seems like Junior has really come to play these last couple weeks. We're gonna need his bat too, since 3B is now a void to go with the rest of the infield.

by Brendanukkah on May 10, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions

Yeah...I'm...

yeah.

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions

Slyde

May need to move that thing down to Green.....

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by MixFMKyle on May 10, 2007 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

This ruined my kid's birthday

I had already decided that EdE was his favorite player, and now Krivsky sends him down on my son's first birthday. Bastard.

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions

Sorry to hear that.

Hopefully is his back by Memorial day. Maybe we should put some Vegas odds on that and make some money.

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by MixFMKyle on May 10, 2007 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

I'm being a bit facetious. My kid doesn't have a clue what baseball is, except maybe that it's that thing that daddy watches and yells at the TV during.

But the point is still true: Wayne Krivsky hates kids.

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

You know

Krivsky reminds me of that uncle you are scared of until you're 30. The ugly sweaters too.

by rose2hall on May 10, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions

he smells a bit like cheese too

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow

This isn't one of Jerry's patented day-game-before-a-road-trip-throwaway-lineups. Playing for his job, maybe?

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on May 10, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions

I don't know

There is TSF Juan Castro.

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by MixFMKyle on May 10, 2007 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

We need Sea Bass

As the righty off the bench.

I am really pissed at this EdE situation and everyone involved in making the decision.

by Brendanukkah on May 10, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

I don't think so

Fay asked Krivsky if Narron's job was on the line. Krivsky was shocked at the question, and said "it wasn't even on the radar."

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by BubbaFan on May 10, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Unbelievable

Just...wow.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on May 10, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions

Krivsky Mind

Keppinger = "plays the game the right way!, Not all that good and will never get better."

Encarnacion = "young and talented, needs coaching to reach his potential."

It was a no brainer. It is amazing Coffey is still on the team.

Krivsky's dream team would be 25 guys who are between 33 and 45 years old, who used to be above average but are now just hanging on to the tail end of their careers. This type of team eliminates any need for coaching or development and makes for great bull sessions in the clubhouse as the team loses three games out of every five.

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by James Quinn on May 10, 2007 11:01 AM EDT reply actions

Coffey runs out to his position

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

You just described

the Giants.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on May 10, 2007 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions

This move

is sorta like digging up the septic tank to fix a leaky faucet.

by bobestes on May 10, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions

WELL CRAP

no wonder my faucets still leak

by Caleb on May 10, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

don't overreact

I think their main concern is that EE gets his confidence back and gets his head on straight. His approach to hitting and, in general, don't seem to be as up-to-par as last year, like maybe he just assumed he already had it made. It is somewhat of a surprise and it certainly doesn't help our bullpen but maybe it will do wonders for EE. I mean, if he stays there 2 weeks, starts to hit again, and comes back up with more confidence, then hopefully he can resume the form we saw last year.

Remember, we're not in the dugout. We don't see his attitude every day...........whether he is discouraged or surly or what. Let's wait and see what happens.

by nighthawk32 on May 10, 2007 11:32 AM EDT reply actions

A guarantee

Edwin Encarnacion will never again wear a Reds uniform. You can take it to the bank.

by Watubi on May 10, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

possibly, but

I don't see how sending someone to the minors helps their confidence. In fact, look at how EdE has been treated since day one under Narron. Every time he makes a mistake he sits the bench. That seems very conter-productive to building confidence.

Maybe EdE has an attitude problem that we don't know about, but it would be strange to hear given that EVERYBODY said that he was working so hard to improve his game last year. Now, all of the sudden, he's a malcontent.

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions

I agree completely.

He's seemingly been hitting the ball better lately, although not all of his strokes have been falling in for hits.

Narron sitting him 3 times in a week is a joke.

Sending someone to the minors helps their confidence how?

I first heard this driving this afternoon. Caught the game in about the 4th inning and almost drove off the road. WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF. I didn't realize offense or 3rd base defense is a glaring weakness. Krivsky again makes the starting lineup (and bench) weaker by removing an everyday player from the 25-man roster and replacing him with a AAAA player. At least this time, the everyday player is still in the organization (for now.)

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on May 10, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

i hate all this

the losing can't continue, it's time to sacrifice some chickens

Fire Hume!

by mattg on May 10, 2007 11:34 AM EDT reply actions

This is the best I could do

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

live chickens?

We need a live rooster to take the curse off Edwins's glove and nobody seems to know what to get Millie or Jimmy for their wedding present. We're dealing with some serious shit.

by Caleb on May 10, 2007 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions

You have to...

..include the word "priestess" in your search.

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I was semi-quoting Major League

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Gotcha.

I thought maybe you were just hungry.

Didja get cornbread with that bucket?

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions

biscuits

And I am seriously craving some KFC now. I'm thinking that's what is on the lunch menu. Two piece white, with mashed potatoes and cole slaw. Mmmmm.

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Surprisingly, KFC does sound pretty good.

Do they still serve that styrofoam bowl with all of their menu items stirred together and topped with cheese?

Get me two or three of those.

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Dunno...

When I was a kid, I used to really love KFC original recipe, but now it seems like it has actually gotten greasier and slimier than I remember it.

Perhaps it's because they no longer use trans fats?

"That which is repeated will happen a third time."

by Paul Householder on May 10, 2007 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know what it is

but I think they put an addictive chemical in it that makes you crave it fortnightly.

2007 Reds Threat Level is Blue

by Slyde on May 10, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions

TRANS FATS?

they no longer use real chickens

by Caleb on May 10, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Have you tried...

..the new Soylent Green Nuggets?

They're good if they're fresh.

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions

heh heh...

I'm having KFC as we speak... or rather type...

Currently Under Construction.

by crolfer on May 10, 2007 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought all you kids today were vegetarians

Love animals Crolfer, don't eat them.

"Thom and Marty are such douchebags." ~Geki (5/10/07)

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

moo

Enjoy Crolfer, it's the right thing to do

by Caleb on May 10, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Thats right Crolfer,vegetarians hate our freedom..

..They HATE OUR FREEDOM!

"Thom and Marty are such douchebags." ~Geki (5/10/07)

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Wayne says he was shocked...

From C Trents blog:

Wayne said Eddie was initially shocked, but left knowing that it was a chance for him to get better. Wayne also said, "he's still a big part of our future."

Freel will get much of the playing time at third, with Keppinger playing second and third as well.

Edwin wasn't in the clubhouse. Keppinger was. He said he was called last night and was ready to be here today. They'd been on a 10-day roadtrip, so his bags were already packed. He's wearing No. 27, which is better than the 74 he wore in spring training.

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by MixFMKyle on May 10, 2007 11:44 AM EDT reply actions

Stupidity

10th in the majors in runs scored, and still outscoring our opponents by 5 runs. Yep, this team is a disaster! Remember the 2005 Nationals, who in the first half had like a 15-2 record in 1 run games? Well, in the second half, that record reversed itself. I'm guessing the same thing will happen to the Reds this year. This is an extreme overreaction that illustrates why Krivsky is such a terrible in-season GM.

by teb7 on May 10, 2007 11:50 AM EDT reply actions

Not a bad idea...

but I'd be less worried if the Brewers weren't playing as well as they are. Ten games out is a lot.

by bobestes on May 10, 2007 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

They won't win the division

But my point is this isn't a team that needs to be blown up--it needs to be built on for 2008.

by teb7 on May 10, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Here here!

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Who knows

Maybe getting sent down this year will help EE for 2008.

by bobestes on May 10, 2007 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions

A thought

EdE is young, but getting better. Many see him as the RH power bat the Reds lost...recently. Then, a new batting coach rides into town, and things go to hell in a handbasket.

Coincidence?

just....wow.

by sidnancy on May 10, 2007 12:42 PM EDT reply actions

If I were smarter

I'd write a diary looking at some of the factors that led to Narron's firing in Texas, and if history is repeating itself here in Cincinnati.

It sure did with Bob Boone! Crazy in KC, crazy in the 'nati!

by bobestes on May 10, 2007 12:43 PM EDT reply actions

I've said it before...

He'll do well down there, come back, and the same damn thing will happen again.

This is bull.

Wanted: Relievers for three quick outs in any inning.

by Ash on May 10, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions

Think he'll be in the Bats lineup tonight?

With him playing, and Dumatrait starting, and no Reds night game, I might have to listen to that.

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on May 10, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions

I doubt it.

They usually get 72 hours to report.

I bet tomorrow.

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by MixFMKyle on May 10, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

It depends..

..if he hustles or not.

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry to see this

I'm an EdE fan. I admit it. Hoep to see him back soon. I hope he's not disscouraged and contines to want to be a Red after two years of being the whipping boy.

Put me in.

by satyanaas on May 10, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

Dunn to sit out tomorrow's game

for grounding into double play. Hopper will play left field and bat cleanup in his absence.

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on May 10, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder how many Reds have multi-error games?

In 2006 and 2007, how many Reds have 2 errors in a game and did they miss the next game (or get sent to AAA?

How does going to AAA boost confidence?
Let's say he play 10 days down there, makes 0 errors, bats 1.000 with 15 homeruns, and gets recalled. How does all that success help his confidence when he knows that he's one error or 0-4 day from sitting on the bench...or perhaps 2 errors from going back to Louisville?

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on May 10, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions

So did anyone else eat KFC today?

by Red Menace on May 10, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions

I had some original recipe 'shrooms w/ my bucket

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by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

KFC on LSD

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by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions

The legacy of the Opium Wars

by ken on May 10, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

you need to work on your form

when you code pictures correctly, you usually come through with a nice post. but in general, you don't post the right way, and it shows now and then. if you work with me on your form, we could turn you into a gritty commenter who ... runs to the keyboard.

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by boobs on May 10, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Damn. Are you sending me down to MySpace...

..for a few games for an "attitude adjustment"?

"Thom and Marty are such douchebags." ~Geki (5/10/07)

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

No

My wife is too lazy to go get me some.

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by Slyde on May 10, 2007 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes

I ate KFC for a late lunch, but admittedly I ate before I read about in this thread.

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on May 10, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions

#%$#^&YY&%^%^&%)!!!!!!!!

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by Man Mountain on May 10, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions

Re: #%$#^&YY&%^%^&%)!!!!!!!!

Thats not Latin for "Maybe Jerry and Wayne know what they're doing", is it?

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by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Trade option

Reds send Edwin Encarnacion, Matt Belisle and Paul Janish to Kansas City

Kansas City sends Mark Teahen and either Emil Brown or Reggie Sanders to Cincinnati.

Cincinnati gets a very good young third baseman and a short term filler in the outfielder/pinch hitter role to give them a bit of desperately needed offense. The Royals gets a long term solution at shortstop, a decent young arm and a young talented hitter trying to find a defensive position where he can stick. Royals could convert Encarnacion to 2B or RF.

Just thinking with my keyboard. I expect Krivsky will give away Encarnacion for much less in return before this thing plays out. Maybe he'll trade him for Jose Mesa and a gritty AAAA infielder? Don't laugh, you know it is possible.

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by James Quinn on May 10, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions

re

Cincinnati gets a very good young third baseman and a short term filler in the outfielder-pinch hitter role to give them a bit of desperately needed offense.

Desperately needed offense? from the outfield? i think with dunn, griffey and hamilton in the outfield (our three best bats) the last thing we want to do is give away two promising young players for emil brown or reggie sanders. this deal would be the exact opposite of what we want to do.

"Swing away, Bronson." -- sayeth Chris Welsh.

by boobs on May 10, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I would not like this trade...

..but I'll just add that Reggie might be good for platooning with Hamilton and/or covering Junior during any of his ailments. And then Freel could be traded for some legitimate young bullpen help. (Building for the future, mind you.)

I don't know about Teahan's contract. (I don't even know if he bats L or R. I just know he's pretty good.) And I don't know how interested KC would be in the Reds' whipping boy right now but I like the idea of moving Belisle while he has maximum value.

But ultimately I wanna keep EE.

"Thom and Marty are such douchebags." ~Geki (5/10/07)

by Alan @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Here comes the 'Lets make a deal' portion of

our show! We only need to get a reliever who can come into the game in the 7th or 8th inning and get 3 outs with professional cosistancy. We could use a closer too while we're at it (although I've not totally given up on the DL guys). Today Freel, Dunn and Ross (God's whipping boys) did real good. Granted Juan and Conine are not the power guys you'd want off the bench but then neither is Reggie a bench player/pinch hit specialist.

Kearns & Lopez are gone. Get over it.

by Benchwarmer @ Red Reporter on May 10, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Build a bridge?

Eat a peach?

"That which is repeated will happen a third time."

by Paul Householder on May 10, 2007 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions

You tell 'em...

Eat a peach, all you guys who lament The Trade.

Love your tag line, "Get over it."

No one will ever figure this one out.

by NoWayAmINEILYNGorBShakeyorDavidBriggsNopeNotMe on May 10, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Reggie is

good for retiring, as he should

by bobestes on May 10, 2007 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I hate KFC...

It's the worst chicken around...

Give me Popeye's or Lee's Famous Recipe, and I'm extremely happy!

Chandrathan is Pissed!

by chandrathan on May 10, 2007 6:30 PM EDT reply actions

I should have assumed you didn't like KFC

:)

2007 Reds Threat Level is Blue

by Slyde on May 10, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly!

Give me your opinion slyde...I want to voice the opposite one! :-)

Chandrathan is Pissed!

by chandrathan on May 10, 2007 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions

exactly

he has been grumpy since they revoked his last first the other day. Get some peaches, get over it son or the posting coach is going to take issue with you

by Caleb on May 10, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions