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C. Trent vs. Marc Lancaster

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I haven't been reading a lot of the Cincinnati Post's Reds blog since Marc Lancaster has left. I mean it's still in my feedreader, but I've kind of tended to skim over it so far this spring training, because it's changed quite a bit.

I really enjoy reading all of the other Reds blogs (I have all the ones I know about in my Bloglines account), but Lancaster's site was the most useful to me for quite a while. That's not a knock on any other Reds blogger, it's just simple acknowledgement that Lancaster had better access to breaking news than any of us by virtue of his job with the Post. I can't count (and probably wouldn't want to know) how many Red Reporter posts in the last year started off with "From Marc:".

That being said, I realize I have a somewhat unique take on all of this, and that the Post might be better served with a more conversational, community oriented blog. C. Trent seems to be heading in that direction, but man from here it's looking like a trainwreck so far.

The guy's doing an awesome job in certain respects. He's linking out to other bloggers, something Marc never really did. He responds to comments pretty frequently. He posts frequently.

However, I'm amazed that comments like this one are allowed to stay up. The platform Cincinnati.com uses for it's blogs absolutely allows its authors to moderate comments, so it's squarely on C. Trent that garbage like the above is still live.

You'll generally find a slower breed at "official" message boards and websites, because the effort level is less to post there. Redszone is always going to be a more intelligent place to discuss the Reds than the official board at Reds.com, because you're showing a certain level of competence to even find Redszone in the first place. The same goes for blogs like Red Reporter, Red Hot Mama, Church of Baseball and so forth versus a blog owned by the Cincinnati Post.

I'm willing to cut C. Trent some slack because of the above, but not too much.

I'm a big believer that once you get to a certain level the readers carry a site. Red Reporter is a perfect example of that. C. Trent probably oughta think about the environment that he's promoting by letting idiots like the aboved linked commenter continue to post. However, it's possible that he just doesn't care because he's going to be out of a job in the next year, but he should, because like I said above, there are a lot of things he's doing right, better than Marc even. I'm sure there are a ton of papers in this country that'd jump to hire a sports reporter with a successful background involving new media. The whole allowing idiotic comments and obsessing over girls in the stands probably oughta stop though, before it burns him.

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I agree
Trent seems like a really great guy personally, and heaven knows the whole issue of moderating Internet forums can be a pain.  Maybe he's just too nice.  But it's reaching the point where the garbage is chasing out the good posters. It can go downhill fast from there.

I hadn't realize the Post was folding.  But that's even more reason to be concerned.  He should think of that blog as his resume.  


All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named "Bubba"?

by BubbaFan on Mar 8, 2007 6:12 AM EST reply actions  

Funny looking guy
deserves time to develop his blog, besides he spends his free time hiding out by CC's window

by rose2hall on Mar 8, 2007 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

This is exactly
what I was thinking last night.

I'm glad JD (God?) took the time to address this. Eventually, new media sites carve out a culture for themselves and the moderators can do quite a bit to shape the sort the dialogue that occurs there, not merely by removing comments/banning posters but more importantly by setting an example for the type of self-policing one can expect.

I've been reading this site for 2 years; I decided to take the plunge into commenting precisely because I appreciated and enjoyed the level of dialogue that JD and the other Red Reporters promoted.

and that is why we need Eddie Van Halen.

by Man Mountain on Mar 8, 2007 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Good summary
with balance and perspective.

by pw on Mar 8, 2007 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

LLM
I am surprised, to say the least, to see a Reds Beat Writter refer to Javy Valentine as LLM, aka "Latin Love Machine."  I  understand it is a blog, and not a formal as writting for the Post... but are you serious? Pretty sure Hal McCoy would never reference that. But I guess when you make 30 references to a photographer in section CC in one game thread, anything is a possibility.

I appreciate that C. Trent updates us on breaking news such as lineups, trades, signing, etc... but the rest of the jiberish I could do without. I never bother to read the comments. They just go to show how well this site is run.

by indy on Mar 8, 2007 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for writing this, JD
Still haven't found what I'm looking for.

by Daedalus on Mar 8, 2007 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Bah
I think he's great. He interacts with people (something Marc was loathe to do) and seems to really "get" and enjoy the informality of the blog medium, much more so than Daugherty or John Fay. I appreciate his enthusiasm for the job.

It's a blog. It's not supposed to be Chaucer.

Regarding "jibberish" in the comments: What are the inside jokes here about? "First" and whatever people were talking about during the last game threads of last year? I'm fine with it, but let's be honest, this isn't the most serious or topical site in the world at times.

Take it for what it is: a general forum for Reds fans. This is more of a niche site. Go there for your Big Mac, come here for your Filet.

by bobestes on Mar 8, 2007 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Well
On Fridays, it's Filet o' Fish, for the Catholics.

2007 Reds Threat Level is Blue

by Slyde on Mar 8, 2007 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Or...
The new DOUBLE Filet O' Fish...

Quite possibly the most disgusting sandwich that I've ever seen!

Oh, well you know what, I found the card, actually, they're from your mom, so tell your gay mom I said thanks!

by chandrathan on Mar 8, 2007 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Double
Double the mercury poisoning!

by bobestes on Mar 8, 2007 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

McRib
No, that would be the McRib..

by snohio on Mar 8, 2007 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...
I love the McRib!
Oh, well you know what, I found the card, actually, they're from your mom, so tell your gay mom I said thanks!

by chandrathan on Mar 8, 2007 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

McRib
My wife is vegetarian, and, in a moment of weakness while pregnant, ordered and consumed a McRib, that's how powerful its allure is.

by bobestes on Mar 8, 2007 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

mmmm
procesed meat shaped into bones. mmmmmmm yum

by rose2hall on Mar 8, 2007 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah
but it's different with the paper's blog because it represents the paper. It should strive to some level of professionalism because ultimately the blog is a front for a product. i am much less likely to take c. trent seriously after reading about his pining for (stalking) some woman for 5 days straight.

seriously, that cc stuff got hella creepy.

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Mar 8, 2007 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Trent
I agree that was I creeped out by Trent's online stalking.  I don't mind if he posts some weird things on his blog but when he's talking about an individual he doesn't even know repeatedly, it's too much for me.

As far as the blog comments go, this is the only blog that I visit regularly where there is a large amount of people who contribute commentary worth reading.  I only read the Post's blog to get Reds info, the comments suck, they usually sucked w/ Marc, now they just suck more or suck harder, whichever.

by JCH888 on Mar 8, 2007 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly
If it was someone's personal blog, it would be different  But it's not a personal blog.  It represents the paper.  It's featured on the sidebar and right at top of the Post Reds page.  

And it's a sports blog.  It's not a blog on wine-tasting or small business accounting.  It's the kind of thing that you can expect kids to be reading.  

I toned down my blog when I realized that there were children reading it.  Not that I think a few off-color jokes will scar a child for life, but parents often get irate at that kind of thing.  And that goes double for a blog attached to a newspaper.


All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named "Bubba"?

by BubbaFan on Mar 8, 2007 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Related?
C. Trent's picture on his blog has a certain resemblence to the Civil War General William Starke Rosecrans.

ivil War General

by TR on Mar 8, 2007 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

wow
sorry, i just noticed the art that accompanies this post... nice jd.
And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Mar 8, 2007 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Hey JD
Maybe drop the guy a note?  After all, he does post a lot of useful stuff, and he does seem like a nice enough guy.  He probably isn't as experienced as you are running a blog.
Don't mind me...just thinking positive and pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Mar 8, 2007 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

What
we can't all communicate through blog posts?

No, in all seriousness that's a good idea, and possibly what I should have done to begin with.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Mar 8, 2007 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Accompanying art
That picture of the train wreck was a poster on the wall of my tenth-grade Algebra II classroom.

by Doc Scott on Mar 8, 2007 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

C. Trent's blog
I think I get Trent's dry, British-y sense of humor, because it's similar to my own.  The problem is that it doesn't always translate well in "print".  Ergo, you have readers who are getting creeped out by the CC stuff instead of entertained.

He seems to have taken down the surreptitiously-snapped photo of CC.  Perhaps he saw this thread or his boss saw it or something.

by Doc Scott on Mar 8, 2007 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

No More talk of CC
I am glad he has stopped talking about "CC".  That becamse seriously creepy in a hurray.  I do wish he would have more of an iron fist over comments.  I like that he is more personal, then Marc, and he interacts with us, and answers our questions, it is a reall cool resource to have.  It will probably get better.

by justin0070000 on Mar 9, 2007 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

I imagine
referring to the Buckeyes as "gay acorns" in the comments might alienate a few people.
Reds fandom: A study in futility and masochism.

by Ash on Mar 9, 2007 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

C. Trent
also likes him some strippers.

In today's blog, he mentions getting in late last night from donating at the "Dale Mabry Performing Arts Center."

That would be Mons Venus, of course, on the Dale Mabry highway in Tampa.

Perhaps that's something he shouldn't be discussing in a "family newspaper blog."

by cesarhernandez on Mar 11, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Just Kidding
The author of the comment you linked to explained that it was sarcastic a couple of comments later. I could tell it was without the explanation, but I got into most blog content assuming that it's an attempt to be funny.

This sure isn't the first time that I've thought some writing was obvious humor when other readers took it at face value. Until they figure out a way to work tone of voice into blog comments, that's going to continue to be a problem.

I don't think that deleting comments is the answer, though, any more than refusing to talk to kids about sex is the answer to teen pregnancy. I'd rather see discussion about an offensive comment. Especially since, most of the time, the author probably didn't mean it the way it was taken.

Self-ingratiating and promoting my own website since 2005. (Vist www.red-hot-mama.com today!)

by Red Hot Mama @ Red Reporter on Mar 11, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh no
trust me, I understood that it was meant as a joke, that just really didn't matter to me.

And I could probably count on one hand the number of comments I've deleted on this site, but I mean the possibility is always there. The owner of a site can't just have an anything goes policy, or things will almost always degenerate pretty quickly.

This is the second time that the comments have really gotten out of hand over there. I seem to remember some racist comments when Marc was still there, and he clamped down.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Mar 12, 2007 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

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