Winter Meetings Day Two

by JD Arney on Dec 4, 2007 9:45 AM EST in News

Just a quick recap on Reds mentions to get us started (and please don't start a diary for every rumor, that's what this thread is for. But if a deal actually gets done then knock yourself out on diary creation.):

The Reds have asked about Dontrelle Willis:
The Reds have asked the Marlins about Dontrelle Willis. But a deal between those two teams is unlikely. The Marlins are still placing a high price tag on Willis, so they no doubt would ask the Reds for their best young pitcher, Homer Bailey, plus one more player. And the Reds have little interest in moving Bailey. One baseball man who spoke to the Reds described their interest as "tire kicking."

I can't imagine the Reds getting Willis for anything that would be near his actual worth (which isn't much in my opinion), so I'd certainly rather they go in other directions.
They are also listening on Josh Hamilton and Edwin Encarnacion. Hamilton for Sean Marshall really wouldn't make me all that happy either.
Brett Tomko is interested in rejoining the Reds. Could work as a fifth starter / reliever.
The Tim Lincecum rumors might be untrue:
Word had circulated around the hotel that the Reds spoke with the Giants about starting pitcher Tim Lincecum, with the names of top Cincinnati prospect Jay Bruce and third baseman Edwin Encarnacion floated as part the potential deal. Before the end of the day, it had proven to be untrue.
Bruce is considered the best prospect in baseball, and the outfielder was Baseball America's Minor League Player of the Year this past season. Conventional wisdom is he'd be off the table for any deal. When asked if he had any players he deemed "untouchable," Cincinnati GM Wayne Krivsky declined to name names.

I hope Bruce is untouchable, or close to it. It is hard for me to come up with a realistic deal that would actually make me feel ok with Bruce leaving.

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Bedard still a possibility?

From mlbtraderumors.com:

How many teams are after Erik Bedard? The tally yesterday included the Phillies, Cardinals, Yankees, Mets, Mariners, Angels, Dodgers, and D'Backs - that's eight. The Baltimore Sun's Jeff Zrebiec and Dan Connolly check in with the latest on the Orioles' ace.

There's been a ton of trade interest in Bedard (as you might expect). Andy MacPhail is still talking about signing him to an extension, but no one really buys it. The package he'll get in trade should rival what the Twins get for Johan.
The Dodgers, Mariners, and Mets have been pursuing Bedard the most aggressively. More meetings with the Mets should occur today. The Mariners could make an intriguing offer built around Adam Jones and Brandon Morrow.
A new team is added to bring the tally to nine: the Reds are interested. However, Jay Bruce is off the table.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 4, 2007 10:05 AM EST reply actions

Bedard

The Baltimore Sun's reporting that the Reds are in on Erik Bedard. They hasten to add that Jay Bruce was off the table in those talks, but this is a guy I'd consider giving up Bailey to get:

Although he is not as accomplished as Santana, Bedard has less mileage (barely half the number of big league innings), is the same age (eight days older than Santana), is cheaper and is signed through 2009, a year longer than Santana.

He is certainly better than either Haren or Blanton, but I'm not sure the Reds match up well with the Orioles on this. They've got a glut of overpaid OF and an expensive and rapidly aging left side of the IF. They wouldn't have a spot for EdE unless they could move Mora, which is a big "if." That said, I can't see another team topping an offer of Bailey, Votto and one lesser prospect (Stubbs?).

Bailey is potentially great, but Bedard's already there.

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 10:12 AM EST reply actions

Thunderstruck!

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 10:13 AM EST up reply actions

Do you give up this much?

From the article The Mets already have offered outfielder Carlos Gomez, reliever Aaron Heilman and pitching prospect Phil Humber but were rejected.

One baseball source called the Mariners a "dark horse" in the Bedard sweepstakes if they would be willing to put together an offer that included outfield prospect Adam Jones and pitcher Brandon Morrow.

At this point, the Orioles are looking for an offer - similar if not better - to what the Twins are requesting for Santana. That is basically two top-quality, ready-to-play young major leaguers and a third prospect.

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on Dec 4, 2007 10:44 AM EST up reply actions

I would trade any player on this team for him

other than Bruce, Hopper, Castro and BP

Killer Tucans all the way!!!

by Zach K on Dec 4, 2007 12:06 PM EST up reply actions

Hopefully...

Krivsky thinks that the bullpen has been fixed by signing Cordero and does not trade Hamilton or EdE for additional middle relievers who stink.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Dec 4, 2007 10:55 AM EST reply actions

we can dream...

2008 NL Central Champs!

by Daedalus on Dec 4, 2007 11:09 AM EST up reply actions

Lose your dreams...

..And you will lose your mind.

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

Fay

Fay seems to think that teams are asking Bailey or Cueto in trade for an established starter. If that's the case, I don't see the Reds biting on any trades. I'd be shocked to see these guys go anywhere. I think it's more likely they can get a pitcher from a team seeking a young bat--Hamilton or Encarnacion come to mind. I think it's possible to get a SP with one of these guys, although I"d hate to give up either.

by jamesp50014 on Dec 4, 2007 12:10 PM EST reply actions

Paging Mr. Tomko...

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 12:15 PM EST up reply actions

Can't we trade Griffey for Tomko?

...or would that just be silly?

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2007 12:18 PM EST up reply actions

silly

because he's a FA

by Man Mountain on Dec 4, 2007 12:27 PM EST up reply actions

obviously

that was a joke. Sorry. I've been grading all morning.

by Man Mountain on Dec 4, 2007 12:42 PM EST up reply actions

Have you

gotten a smooth surface yet?

by Gray on Dec 4, 2007 3:11 PM EST up reply actions

No

But everyone got "parmesan" on their salads at lunch and my feet are feeling much more comfortable.

by Man Mountain on Dec 4, 2007 5:10 PM EST up reply actions

And you ingratiated yourself...

with the salad-eaters, eh?

by Gray on Dec 4, 2007 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

Grat. Hope you weren't grating.

"It's not savvy. But it's not Mike Stanton." andromache

by Madville on Dec 4, 2007 7:01 PM EST up reply actions

Hmm...

I think Tomko we may get, although I'm not sure he's much of an upgrade over Belisle, except that he'll get paid more. I'm concerned he'll be this year's Saarlos.

by jamesp50014 on Dec 4, 2007 12:20 PM EST up reply actions

5th starter

Given Krivsky's slow promotion of minor league players, I doubt Cueto starts the year in the majors. That leaves Harang, Arroyo, Bailey and Belisle as the starters without much depth here, or am I forgetting some folks?

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on Dec 4, 2007 1:16 PM EST up reply actions

Tomko's a joke

At least I hope JD was kidding about wanting him. He was plain awful last year (ERA+ of 80 ... less than Milton, less than Belisle, less than Tom Shearn, for crying out loud). He was so bad that during the Dodgers game, on the day he was making his first start for San Diego, Charlie Steiner said, "And Dodger fans are hoping that Tomko does for the Padres exactly what he did for the Dodgers." It was the best line I heard during a baseball game since 1989 when Skip Caray said, of Atlanta's pitching staff, "Our team ERA resembles a good bowling series."

by Watubi on Dec 4, 2007 5:11 PM EST up reply actions

For the record...

..I don't want the Reds to sign him. I just have this feeling that they will sign him.

Somehow, it feels inevitable.

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 5:20 PM EST up reply actions

Tomko would not could make the grade.

"It's not savvy. But it's not Mike Stanton." andromache

by Madville on Dec 4, 2007 7:02 PM EST up reply actions

Skip Carray was also prone to saying

"the bases are loaded and I wish I was."

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Dec 4, 2007 6:04 PM EST up reply actions

The one thing I don't get...

In all these trade rumors involving EdE, is who exactly is going to replace EdE both position-wise and offensively?

You have Jeff Keppinger, who can play third but probably is not going to hit .340 next year.

You have Farney, who really stunk last year, even when he wasn't loopy from the concussion.

You have Castro, who should not be on a 40-man roster.

What are they thinking? Move Cantu over there? As far as I could tell, he wasn't a very good fielder with TB, which is why he is at first.

I can understand trading Hamilton, because essentially, Jay Bruce and Hamilton are somewhat comparable, although Bruce probably hits for higher average, and Hamilton hits for more power. (Not that I am in favor of trading Hamilton. I personally think he will probably overcome the injury bug and put up .290-30-100 in 2008.)

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Dec 4, 2007 12:33 PM EST up reply actions

My guess

is that the Reds would actually be ok with Keppinger at third, with Freel to fill in, assuming they get enough back for EdE. I think they might be pretty high on Keppinger now.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Dec 4, 2007 12:37 PM EST up reply actions

I don't mind Keppinger...

Although I often tire of all the sportstalk hype for him because he is so scrappy.

I think he's proven to be a good complementary player who should be given a shot at starting, but he hasn't proven that he is an every-day starter yet such that the Reds should trade away a starting position player to make room for him. Furthermore, the guy is 27 going on 28, which means he is at or near his peak.

EdE is only 24 and at that young age already has two respectable major-league seasons under his belt, and they are willing to give up on him?

If I were Krivsky, I would not trade EdE unless I could get someone like Lincecum in return (without giving up a major additional piece, like Hamilton, Votto, Cueto, Bailey or Bruce also).

Then again, if I were Krivsky, I would be wearing an ugly sweater.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Dec 4, 2007 12:48 PM EST up reply actions

I'm wondering

if the Reds think EdE will be expendable because of Juan Francisco and Todd Frazier. Neither one is ready for the majors yet, or even later this year, but some have said Frazier could move fast. Then you use Keppinger/Freel as a stopgap. I guess the idea might be that you trade from a current surplus in the outfield or a future surplus at third base.

by pw on Dec 4, 2007 3:13 PM EST up reply actions

There's a difference...

...between an established starter and a legitimate ace. Erik Bedard would immediately become our best pitcher, and Harang would become arguably the best #2 in the NL.

I think Homer Bailey is going to be a very, very good pitcher, but I already know that Bedard is an ace, and we'd have him at an affordable rate for two seasons minimum.

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 12:50 PM EST up reply actions

Hold on

Bedard had a awesome year last year, but he's not clearly better than Harang, even if you allow for the quality of their respective divisions.

by Man Mountain on Dec 4, 2007 1:06 PM EST up reply actions

Maybe not...

...clearly better than Harang, but arguably so.

If I were Dusty Baker and I had both those guys, I'd give Harang the ball on Opening Day to show respect for his past service to the team, but Bedard would start Tuesday. It'd probably be better that way, so the lefty could slide in between Harang and Arroyo.

But that's a pretty nice decision to have to make, isn't it?

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 1:49 PM EST up reply actions

Reds in the hunt for Lincecum?

From the San Jose Mercury News, via mlbtraderumors.com:

One Reds official think the Giants almost have to trade Tim Lincecum to build an offensive core. It seems the Mariners and Reds in particular are pushing for Lincecum. The Ms could offer Adam Jones; the Reds have Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, and Josh Hamilton. The Mariners could've had Lincecum with the fifth overall pick in 2006, but opted for Brandon Morrow instead. The Reds could've had him too but went for Drew Stubbs.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 4, 2007 12:59 PM EST reply actions

Good idea

The Reds should offer Drew Stubbs...seems like a fair swap to me.

2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on Dec 4, 2007 1:13 PM EST up reply actions

Fro the Chicago Sun Times:

Look for the Cubs to trade rehabbing former ace Mark Prior this week if they get even a decent prospect in return. The Cincinnati Reds, with new manager Dusty Baker, are one of the teams interested, but Prior's hometown San Diego Padres still appear the most likely destination if he's dealt.

''I've always been able to work deals with Jim [Hendry], and I don't see any difference this time if we go that direction,'' Padres GM Kevin Towers told San Diego reporters Monday.

* * The Reds appear willing to trade five-tool but injury-prone outfielder Josh Hamilton, a good Cubs fit if healthy.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 4, 2007 1:15 PM EST reply actions

I would feel comfortable

trading Hamilton if we received Marshall and Prior in return. I dont think Marshall is enough for Hamilton. Can you imagine if Hamilton reaches his potential for a division rival and all we have to show for it is a slighty better than league average pitcher. Also, what will I do with my Hobbs shirt?

by CamIam on Dec 4, 2007 1:55 PM EST up reply actions

Prior

I think it's no better than 60-40 that Prior ever throws another big league inning, and his chances of becoming an effective pitcher again are only marginally better than mine.

by Watubi on Dec 4, 2007 4:48 PM EST up reply actions

prior is sombody you trade a low level prospect fo

r. By low level I mean sombody who has just as much a chance of being sucessful as Prior does. He could become an ok pitcher, but chances are he will languish, be oft injured, and at best show flashes of what he once was.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Dec 4, 2007 5:02 PM EST up reply actions

fortunatly ctrent is montering the

number of steps he is taking today.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Dec 4, 2007 3:27 PM EST reply actions

Would you trade Bruce for Lincecum straight up?

Positives:

Starting rotation - Harang/Arroyo/Lincecum/Bailey/Cueto for the next 4 years will be the strongest rotation in the NL
Don't lose Pop - With Dunn/Hamilton/Phillips/Encarnacio/Votto/Griff next year, and a Dunn extension if this trade is made (I assume).
Don't lose pitching - We don't have to give up pitching (our weakness).

Negatives:

Bruce's Potential - he ripped up AAA at 20 yrs. old!
Injuries with Hamilton and Lincecum (who is small and has the potential to be injury prone). Plus, if Hamilton & Griff are down at the same time, their replacements are Freel/Hopper - major downgrades!
Inexperience with 3 rookie/2nd year pitchers in the rotation next year

Would you pull the trigger on this one?

The face of a child says it all, especially the mouth part

by JJ on Dec 4, 2007 3:37 PM EST reply actions

another positive

Just thought of another positive:
- we keep payroll flexibility. Maybe we could get another reliever with that flexibility.

I guess that settles it, 4 to 3.

The face of a child says it all, especially the mouth part

by JJ on Dec 4, 2007 3:38 PM EST up reply actions

too bad griffey won't go west

unless it is Seatle. An injury prone old outfielder is a Sabean speical. Griffey and Hamilton for Lincecum. That would make a lethal rotation.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Dec 4, 2007 3:51 PM EST up reply actions

No

Bruce is too damn good. I feel like that would be compounding the mistake of taking Stubbs over Tiny Tim back in the day.

I'd trade Hamilton or Edwin for him though.

Give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin...

by Red Menace on Dec 4, 2007 3:51 PM EST up reply actions

From ESPN...

Just in time for the holidays for the baseball fan on your list: The Mitchell report?

The San Francisco Chronicle reported that according to two officials with knowledge of former Sen. George Mitchell's probe of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball, the report will be released in the two weeks before Christmas, rather than during the winter meetings.

That means that teams could make deals during the winter meetings, only to learn two weeks later that the free agent they just signed faced possible discipline by Major League Baseball for past use of banned substances.

It is anticipated that the report will name names of current and former major league players who have used performance-enhancing substances including anabolic steroids and human growth hormone.

The entire article.

Oh, and it seems that the Royals just absolutely positively had to get a Jose Guillen deal wrapped up. They couldn't wait for any silly reports or anything like that.

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply actions

Prediction:

The Reds will not trade for Santana (Carlos or Johan), Erik Bedard, Dontrelle Willis or Kenny Rogers (okay, that's a joke).

Tim Lincecum: a big maybe. It depends how desparate the Giants are.

Trade parts: Votto, Hopper, Guevara (he's still here, isn't he, as of this moment?), Maloney, Keppinger OR Encarnacion, Shearn (don't laugh), Dickerson, Freel.

I don't like the idea of trading Hamilton; yes, he may be injury prone, but I think we have just scratched the surface of what this guy can do. And Jay Bruce, never.
Homer OR Cueto (not both) if the value was right.

And please DON'T sign Tomko. He's a stiff.

My karma just ran over your dogma

by Lonesome George on Dec 4, 2007 5:25 PM EST reply actions

So basically

You're suggesting that the Reds could pry away one of the top under-25 pitchers in the game for a package centered around Joey Votto, and possibly including the likes of Jeff Keppinger, Ryan Freel or Tom Shearn?

Na ga ha pen.

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 5:36 PM EST up reply actions

Bret. Tom. Ko.

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 5:45 PM EST up reply actions

On a minor league deal?

Why not?

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 5:47 PM EST up reply actions

Which reminds me...

..what is the contract status of the aforementioned Tom Shearn?

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 5:48 PM EST up reply actions

He was outrighted to the minors

which I think means anyone who wants him can grab him via Rule 5. Or they could have grabbed him last month, when the Reds put him on waivers before they outrighted him.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2007 5:58 PM EST up reply actions

So...

..it's okay for me to laugh at George's proposition now?

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 6:01 PM EST up reply actions

LOL

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2007 6:04 PM EST up reply actions

Why not?

No one likes to laugh alone.

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 6:04 PM EST up reply actions

Pieces , parts

No, just that these are the 'parts' in the Reds system that may have some trade value. The Tigers got a lot for Maybin and some parts.

Alone, most of the Reds' parts aren't worth much at this point (except Homer, or Cueto) but packaged together, they might be enough to get that coveted #2 or #3 starter.

Let's face it, Bailey OR Cueto (or both) gets their shot this year (2008). I mean a real shot; +20 starts, 150 innings, etc.
If Bailey (or Johnny C.) bombs, gets injured or looks sub-average, his value actually goes DOWN (a prospect turns into a suspect). Nobody is a lead-pipe cinch to make it. IF 2008 is the year, Homer OR Cueto, together with a couple of the other parts, may be an attactive package for somebody good as the 1,2 or 3 starter. Outside of Harang, we got a lotta mediocrity.

I'm just listing parts, not proposing a deal. I'd really like Bedard, but I think he is out of reach for the Reds.

My karma just ran over your dogma

by Lonesome George on Dec 4, 2007 7:43 PM EST up reply actions

Shearn cleared waivers

...and stands at the ready down in Lousville, making the ML minimum. He's a capable fill-in for a couple of spot starts, but I can't imagine he can be counted on for much more than that.

by TravisG on Dec 4, 2007 5:58 PM EST reply actions

I could handle him as a long reliever

He could be the Speaker of the House of the rotation. Meaning that he is always 2 heart beats away from the rotation, but hopefully never be needed.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Dec 4, 2007 6:06 PM EST up reply actions

Christ on a cracker

Willis and Cabrera to the Tiggers?

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by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2007 6:32 PM EST reply actions

Holy Shit

ESPN says Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and 4 other Minor Leaguers.

Discuss.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 4, 2007 6:33 PM EST reply actions

The hot stove just got real HOT

I wish there was an index that measured such things.

by ken on Dec 4, 2007 6:57 PM EST up reply actions

You've got that mixed up

With the HEAT Index (R.I.P.).

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Dec 4, 2007 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

I went to H.S. with Maybin...

the Tigers had the opportunity to get Alfonso Soriano for him straight up and wouldn't do it. I see this as one of those deals where each team gets a hell of a lot better. Tigers have to be AL Central favorite now, and the Marlins seem to be right on pace their one world series every six years (or whatever it is)

Which celebrity are you often confused with? "Brad Pitt"- Adam Dunn

by chesirecat on Dec 4, 2007 6:59 PM EST up reply actions

Check out...

..the gaudiest, most ostentatious and self-aggrandizing website you've ever seen for 49 MLB ABs.

(Don't skip the intro.)

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 8:18 PM EST up reply actions

Damn shame

He'll need new entrance music now.

Anybody know any campy/bad-ass songs from the '80s about fish?

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 4, 2007 8:22 PM EST up reply actions

It's all kinda hazy..

..but I seem to remember Primus had a rocker called "Fish On" ('91?)that was pretty good for ordering pizza and playing video games.

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 4, 2007 8:37 PM EST up reply actions

Sublime's Badfish?

Give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin...

by Red Menace on Dec 4, 2007 8:44 PM EST up reply actions

Go '70s

And use the theme from Jaws.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2007 9:29 PM EST up reply actions

Good gravy

Is that an official site? o_O

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by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2007 8:24 PM EST up reply actions

Hahahahaha

A scant 48 hours before that game, another seemingly innocent event occurred ... its impact on the Tigers even now yet to be fully understood. On April 4, 1987, in Arden, NC, Cameron Maybin was born.
Some 19 years and one World Series appearance later, Detroit is closely guarding its 2005 top draft pick (10th overall), having refused to include Cameron in any of last season's mid-year trade proposals, including one that would have given superstar Alfonso Soriano to the offensively challenged Tigers.
That's heady stuff, even for someone who was named by Baseball America as the nation's 2004 Youth Player of the Year and who made everyone's 1st team High School All-American list in 2005.

by Gray on Dec 4, 2007 8:34 PM EST up reply actions

That is AWESOME!

Particularly the part where Survivor comes blasting out of the speakers at near AM radio quality.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Dec 4, 2007 9:15 PM EST up reply actions

from minorleagueball

Reds Farm System Impressions
By John Sickels
Posted on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 04:40:00 PM CDT

Working on the Reds farm system today.

Good Lord.

This system is loaded. You have the top quartet of Bruce/Cueto/Votto/Bailey, but even beyond them there is a good combination of performance guys and projection guys. My initial run through came up with 49 names worth writing about. I have narrowed that down to 39, which is the most I can put into the book. Even that, some of the guys I cut I wish I could put in.

Take heart, Reds fans. You have a lot to look forward to.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Dec 4, 2007 7:56 PM EST reply actions

It seems like yesterday

that we were commenting on how badly our farm system sucked and left us paralyzed in the off-season.

by ben nevis on Dec 4, 2007 8:04 PM EST up reply actions

How cool

Hopefully it will continue, even though Krivsky fired all those minor league guys.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2007 8:24 PM EST up reply actions

ESPN radio is reporting

that there is no credence to the rumor that Hamilton is heading to the Cubs.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 4, 2007 8:12 PM EST reply actions

The Cubs?

Is Milt Pappas available?

My karma just ran over your dogma

by Lonesome George on Dec 4, 2007 8:23 PM EST up reply actions

Dan O'Brien

resurrected the farm system...that has got to count for something, right?

by fletch @ Red Reporter on Dec 4, 2007 8:30 PM EST reply actions

Bedrad

Sounds like a mantra to me.

Be-darrrrrrrrd.
Be-darrrrrrrrd.

We should make that happen like yesterday if we can.

And Cabrera and Willis to the Tiggers just ain't right.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Dec 4, 2007 9:17 PM EST reply actions

Or Bedard, if I culd spel gud.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Dec 4, 2007 9:17 PM EST up reply actions

its benard

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Dec 5, 2007 12:54 PM EST up reply actions

A Christmas Memory

My college friend Neil had a huge crush on this girl whose last night was Bedard. She was pretty awful and bigtimed him or embarrassed him as often as possible.

After his freshman year she came back to school having gained about 20 lbs. He still liked her but we used to sing "Be-dard, stop getting fa-at" to the tune of Firehouse's "Baby, Don't Treat Me Bad."

It was petty, but it makes me giggle everytime I see the name.

She eventually lost the weight and married a lawyer.

by Man Mountain on Dec 5, 2007 12:45 AM EST up reply actions

Um...

...her last night was Bedard? o_O

I think you meant to post this at On the DL. ;-)

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by BubbaFan on Dec 5, 2007 7:07 AM EST up reply actions

From Newsday:

The Mariners and Reds have interest in free-agent David Wells, who will turn 45 in May.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 5, 2007 10:13 AM EST reply actions

interst to do what?

surely it's not to pitch.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 5, 2007 10:15 AM EST up reply actions

Maybe in addition to playing baseball

the M's and Reds also research gout remedies. They need a test subject.

Or maybe the Reds are just trying to bring back that winning spirit from 1995. What's Mark Portugal up to?

by Brendanukkah on Dec 5, 2007 10:25 AM EST up reply actions

The question is...

..what's David Wells up to?

"Motherfucker, I want more iced tea!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 5, 2007 10:33 AM EST up reply actions

He can still take the ball every 5th day

and give you six strong trays of deli meat.

by Man Mountain on Dec 5, 2007 10:46 AM EST up reply actions

for everybody who says

in order to play into your 40's you must stay in shape and work hard, david wells is proving them wrong, and god love him.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Dec 5, 2007 12:35 PM EST up reply actions

He's a putz

I'll never forgive him for 2003. He cost the Yankees the World Series that year. One, he had back spasms...which he might have avoided, if he kept himself in shape. Two, he lied about it, telling the Yankees he was fine, which left them in the lurch when he couldn't make it past the first inning. If he'd been honest, they might have flown another pitcher in, but he freakin' lied.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 5, 2007 4:57 PM EST up reply actions

what's it like to lose a world series?

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 5, 2007 5:04 PM EST up reply actions

David Wells Costs Yanks a WS..

....and that's a bad thing?

by tonywf on Dec 9, 2007 12:39 PM EST up reply actions

I was there in '61 - It hurt - bad.

"It's not savvy. But it's not Mike Stanton." andromache

by Madville on Dec 5, 2007 6:26 PM EST reply actions

No Thanks....

"The Reds have asked the Marlins about Dontrelle Willis. But a deal between those two teams is unlikely. The Marlins are still placing a high price tag on Willis, so they no doubt would ask the Reds for their best young pitcher, Homer Bailey, plus one more player."

This is why I've always been a believer that the best trades are the ones you don't make. They're overrated, as long as you have some semblance of talent and the ability to develop it in a meaningful way. I'm glad we didn't make the trade. We'd be paying top dollar, giving up 2-3 pitchers/top prospects, and paying for a potentially great but at times under performing pitcher.

by tonywf on Dec 9, 2007 12:38 PM EST reply actions