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NL CY - Any love for Harang?

For the last of these awards diaries I'm breaking format. There's been a lot of consternation here over Aaron Harang's "poor" showing in last year's Cy Young voting (he didn't appear on a single ballot). For my part I've been dismissive of these concerns. The question now is will he get a vote for 2007? The hardware gets handed out on Thursday.

The important thing to remember is each writer only names three pitchers on his or her ballot. I see two locks and a handful of challengers for the Harangatan. The fancy stats are Defensive-independent ERA and Value Over Replacement Pitcher from Baseball Prospectus, and Pitcher Runs Created and Win Shares from The Hardball Times.

Jake Peavy    ERA DERA ERA+ IP    WHIP  K  BB HR PRC  VORP  WS
    19-6     2.54 2.88 159  223.3 1.06 240 68 13 143  77.0  23
Peavy should win in a landslide. I would be shocked if weren't named on every ballot. He was first in ERA (any way you slice it, although adjusting for park or defense does lessen his lead), first in wins, strikeouts and K-rate, first in Win Shares and he leads in WHIP, VORP and PRC by large margins.  


Brandon Webb  ERA DERA ERA+ IP    WHIP  K  BB HR PRC  VORP  WS
    18-10    3.01 3.30 156  236.3 1.18 194 72 12 129  66.1  22
The defending champ was second to Peavy in PRC, VORP, WS, Wins and ERA. He led the league in innings, complete games and shutouts. He too should be named on every ballot. He might steal a few first place votes from Peavy because he led his surprise team to the playoffs and because he threw 42 consecutive scoreless innings in a row, challenging Hershiser's record. It should be remembered that despite this amazing feat, his season on the whole still lagged Peavy's by almost any measure. He might get Shannon Stewart love because his team made their move during his streak.

If we assume that these two will be named on every ballot (and I think they should be) that only leaves one spot for Aaron. The contenders:


Brad Penny    ERA DERA ERA+ IP    WHIP  K  BB HR PRC  VORP  WS
    16-4     3.03 2.99 151  208.0 1.30 135 73  9 108  61.7  21

I think Penny is Harang's stiffest competition. He's third in ERA+, VORP and Win Shares. He won as many games as Harang and his ERA looks very pretty. Harang's advantage comes in his peripherals. He pitched over 20 more innings, struck out many more and walked fewer, thus putting less responsibility on his defense. PRC aknowledges this. Will the voters?  


John Smoltz   ERA DERA ERA+ IP    WHIP  K  BB HR PRC  VORP  WS
    14-8     3.11 3.48 137  205.7 1.18 197 47 18 112  56.7  16
Tim Hudson
    16-10    3.33 3.56 128  224.3 1.22 132 53 10 108  59.7  19

Smoltz and Hudson both tallied slightly more VORP than Harang. Timmy was credited with 2 more Win Shares. Smoltz and Harang tied for the league leade in K/BB ratio, but Harang threw 26 more innings. The big key here is that both of their ERA advantages over Harang disappear when we adjust for defense. Is Andruw still that much of a factor?


Roy Oswalt    ERA DERA ERA+ IP    WHIP  K  BB HR PRC  VORP  WS
     14-7    3.18 3.26 138  212.0 1.32 154 60 14 110  59.8  18

I still maintain that he's slipping, but he did best Harang in VORP, Win Shares and ERA and its derivatives. And now our candidate:


Aaron Harang  ERA DERA ERA+ IP    WHIP  K  BB HR PRC  VORP  WS
    16-6     3.73 3.38 125  231.7 1.14 218 52 28 119  53.8  17

The case for Harang as the (at least) third best pitcher in the league: He's a solid third to Peavy and Webb in PRC. His WHIP was 5th in the league but only Peavy's from this group was better (Young, Hamels and Lilly were the others). He was second to Webb in IP, second to Peavy in strikeouts. His strikeout to walk ratio tied for first in the league with Smoltz's. He threw 2 complete games (Webb led with 4).  

The case against Harang as the third best pitcher in the league: He was 7th in the league in VORP (behind every pitcher here). His ERA is really bad amongst this elite group. Before you say GABP, his ERA+ is still last in this group. A better rallying point is the Reds' defense. Harang's DERA jumps the two Braves', is pretty close to Webb's, but still lags Peavy's and Penny's by a good measure. He's sixth in Win Shares, topping only Smoltz. Harang's major problem was giving up home runs. I thought there might be a park effect at work that ERA+ isn't accounting for, but his HR splits are almost identical (15 in 118.2 IP at home, 13 in 113 IP on the road).

I would cast a third place vote for Harang. I think he'll get some this year, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he got shut out again. These were the clear top 7 candidates by my stat-y evaluation, but others could pop up on the ballots. A few votes are usually collected by the top reliever (Saito?) or by a local champion (Hamels, Lilly?)  

Poll
After Peavy and Webb, who's your choice?
Harang
18 votes
Penny
6 votes
Oswalt
0 votes
Smoltz
0 votes
Hudson
1 votes
boobs
9 votes

34 votes | Poll has closed

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All those guys had better years
than Harang.  He should have warranted more attention last year.  Maybe he'll get a pity vote or two.

by buckeye22fox on Nov 14, 2007 3:59 AM EST   0 recs

but
He basically had the exact same year as last year.

    W  ERA   ERA+  IP    SO  BB  HR  WHIP
06  16 3.76  124  234.3 216  56  28  1.27
07  16 3.73  125  231.7 218  52  28  1.14
Add getting a shot at love with Tila Tequila to the list of things at which I would be horrible.

by Red Menace on Nov 14, 2007 1:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Local voters
Is CTR a member of the BBWA?  What about Sheldon?  If not, then these award votes are split between Hal and Fay.  When Lancaster was in town, he used to tell us which writer voted for which award, but I haven't seen that mentioned so far.  

Whoever votes for this one, I don't see any reason why they can't give a 3rd place vote to Harang.  It may not be an overwhelming argument, but one can be made for putting him there.  I think that's enough to get the hometown vote.  It'd be a nice way of saying, hey, I think this guy deserves some recognition on the national level.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Nov 14, 2007 8:21 AM EST   0 recs

That's a dangerous way to do things
I'd rather all voting be done objectively, even though it will never happen. Do you really want these guys voting with their hometown/rooting hearts, considering how many are from the dreaded northeast?

by jch24 on Nov 14, 2007 9:47 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well
Each city's BBWA chapter only has one vote per award, so I'm not too concerned about the hometown thing shifting the vote drastically.  But I think you can make an objective argument that Harang belongs in the top 5, and when #1 and #2 are so obvious compared to the rest, I don't think it's a big deal voting for number 5 in the 3-spot.  I'm not suggesting that a writer votes for a player just because he plays for the team he covers, but if an argument can be made for that player to get the vote, I don't think it's unreasonable to give that player a 3rd place vote.  It's not like I'm suggesting they vote for David Weathers.

In all honesty, I don't really care if Harang gets a single vote.  I just don't think it would be that big of a deal for a hometown writer to give him one vote so that his name appears in the paper.  That's all.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Nov 14, 2007 10:02 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Like so many other things in life....
You have learned me on the voting process. I didn't know there was only one vote per market. I stand corrected. Of course, had I ever looked closely at award voting results, I might have noticed that. :)

by jch24 on Nov 14, 2007 2:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I agree
this isnt a presidential election.  its a third place vote for the NL Cy Young award.  ol' Hangy should get some props for what he's done the past few years and few token third place votes is an effective yet completely inconsequencial way of doing that.
at least this isnt pittsburgh

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 14, 2007 10:22 AM EST   0 recs

This is a bit off topic...
but doesn't merit a new diary or going back a whole week to the old one.

CC sabathia wins the AL CY, and I'm already tired of the bullshitting that's going on. "20 wins over 19 is significant?" Whatever.

Congratulations on a great season. Even though Carmona maybe should have won it. :P

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Nov 14, 2007 11:40 AM EST   0 recs

Josh Beckett can cry himself to sleep
on his gigantic World Series trophy.  I think it's a pretty fair tradeoff for all parties involved.

by Brendanukkah on Nov 14, 2007 12:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If we had seven fingers,
20 over 19 would mean nothing.

by ken on Nov 14, 2007 1:09 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

CC
was a dog in the ALCS. Talk about not being your team's stopper. Red Sox ate him alive.

by bobestes on Nov 14, 2007 11:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Harang Finished 4th
Behind Peavy (unanimous winner), Webb, and Penny.  I can't find how many votes Harang got yet, but Webb had 94 points (meaning 31 votes for 2nd on and 1 third place vote) and Penny had 14 (likely 11 third place and one second place).  That leaves about 20 third place votes unaccounted for.  Carlos Zambrano finished 5th, so I know at least 5 people got votes.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Nov 15, 2007 2:18 PM EST   0 recs

Whoah!
Here is the vote breakdown.  It was Harang who got the other 2nd place vote...

2007 NL Cy Young Award Voting
Pitcher, Club          1st   2nd   3rd   Points
Jake Peavy, SD          32                  160
Brandon Webb, ARI             31     1       94
Brad Penny, LAD                     14       14
Aaron Harang, CIN              1     7       10
Carlos Zambrano, CHC                 3        3
Cole Hamels, PHI                     2        2
John Smoltz, ATL                     2        2
Jose Valverde, ARI                   2        2
Jeff Francis, COL                    1        1

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Nov 15, 2007 2:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Okay, learn me some more
I noticed Tuesday that there were 28 ballots in the AL, and there are 32 in the NL. So each team market gets two votes then?

by jch24 on Nov 15, 2007 2:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Not sure
I may have previously misspoke.  It looks like each team's writers get 2 votes, not one, and the NL writers only vote for the NL awards.  Hence the 32 votes in the NL and only 28 in the AL.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Nov 15, 2007 2:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Wow
So not only did he "get some love", one voter game him some good lovin'.  A make-up vote from last year, perhaps?
just....wow.

by sidnancy on Nov 15, 2007 2:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

CTR had the Cincinnati vote
"I was the Cy Young voter for the Cincinnati Chapter of the BBWAA and my ballot was Peavy, Webb, Harang."

I just asked him how the voting numbers turn out.  I'll let you know if he answers.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Nov 15, 2007 3:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

So Aaron Harang is...
..the best NL pitcher this side of the Rocky Mountains.
"The taco has to be redeemed on Oct. 30 or Nov. 6 - that's a Tuesday."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 15, 2007 3:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

and the best pitcher overall
between the Rockies and the Rust Belt.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Nov 15, 2007 3:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

He should have t-shirts made...
"Aaron Harang: The Ace of Fly-Over Country"
"The taco has to be redeemed on Oct. 30 or Nov. 6 - that's a Tuesday."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 15, 2007 3:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

hell, i want that that tshirt.
it would go well with my other tshirt

"homer bailey: unhittable?"

"i'd hit that."

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Nov 15, 2007 5:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Pimply face Peavy takes the cake
an inspiration to 13 yr olds everywhere

by jacob brumfield on Nov 15, 2007 5:31 PM EST   0 recs

The joke award goes to...the BBWAA
Any award predicated upon the vote of the BBWAA is woefully lacking in credibility.
"You don't invent winning" Sparky Anderson

by Madville on Nov 15, 2007 8:37 PM EST   0 recs

Jeff Francis
got only one vote and he pitches the majority of his games at Coors...

The Rockies players got really screwed this year, Troy and Helton should of been easy gold glove award winners, Francis should of been 4th in the Cy Young voting, and Holiday will lose MVP to Wright or Rollins.

The Reds have also been screwed, Harang was the 3rd best pitcher in the NL, Brad Penny was the 5th. Penny plays in a bigger market so I should of known better. BP didn't win a GG, Dunn lost to Carlos Lee for a SS award...They should let people like JD, Slyde, RM and I vote for these awards.

Killer Tucans all the way!!!

by Zach K on Nov 15, 2007 8:44 PM EST   0 recs

I can't get too worked up
about Harang finishing 4th instead of 3rd or Francis being 4th instead of 9th. And Albert Pujols has a better case for gold glove IMO than Helton. Not that anyone should care about gold glove or silver slugger.
Add getting a shot at love with Tila Tequila to the list of things at which I would be horrible.

by Red Menace on Nov 15, 2007 9:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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