2008 = The Year
- Chicago will be a fat, bloated team owned by owners who have taken on so much debt that they will either cut payroll or hold steady.
- Pittsburgh will be the piece of crap they've always been.
- Jocketty is out in St Louis because they're going to be bad for the next 3-5 years. Mark it down. No farm system + no payroll = rebuilding.
- Houston has no young talent and no Biggio, Bagwell, Clemens or Petitte. See St. Louis.
- Milwaukee should be good.
Hell, they could pick up Dunn's option for next season and let him walk after. In my eyes, 2008 is the year.
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Could not agree more
by VirginiaPreps on Oct 4, 2007 4:49 PM EDT 0 recs
ross was a top 3 defensive catcher this year
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Oct 4, 2007 5:00 PM EDT
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Unfortunately
by Slyde on
Oct 4, 2007 5:01 PM EDT
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Hookah?
Go for it, but just remember that a lot of these teams will look different on Opening Day in 2008.
Nobody will be standing still. I would be happy if the Reds added one good (not great) starter for 2008 (trade someone we would all like to think is surplus, eh?) and improve the bull-pen through subtraction (and you know who I mean), and brought just about everybody else back to fight it out in Spring Training.
2008. Just maybe it could happen.
I hope.
by Lonesome George on Oct 4, 2007 5:02 PM EDT 0 recs
No smoking
That leaves Chicago, who I think will be cash-poor due to the $1bil+ they'll sell for, and Milwaukee, who, admittedly, could be strong.
by bobestes on
Oct 4, 2007 5:08 PM EDT
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Pittsburgh is terrible...
So at least, we weren't terrible in 2007. That's a relief.
by Lonesome George on
Oct 4, 2007 8:07 PM EDT
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well...
Agree about the Cubbies. They're built to win now or never.
The Pirates might not suck quite that much. They'll have a new GM. Dunno who, but presumably someone who won't take Victor Santos with his Rule 5 pick.
by BubbaFan on Oct 4, 2007 5:24 PM EDT 0 recs
I still think 2009
Harang, Bailey, Arroyo, Cueto, Belise? could be strong. I am predicting a strong 2nd half next season, but 2009 we will be rocking and rolling.
by justin0070000 on Oct 4, 2007 5:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Don't forget
by Red Menace on
Oct 4, 2007 5:58 PM EDT
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Stupid signings
by justin0070000 on
Oct 4, 2007 6:05 PM EDT
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Agreed
One reasons the Reds have been so bad--no, the major reason which seems to explain so many other reasons--is the lack of home-grown talent, of players molded in the organization's vision. Now it's time to put these guys to work, I think. Votto's ready. Bailey is ready. Cueto won't be far behind. And let's not forget Bruce, a player waiting for a position.
I really believe this upswing in minor league talent will bring about a lot of positive changes for the big-league team. And soon. Who else in the division has this much top-shelf talent coming up through their system?
by jamesp50014 on
Oct 5, 2007 6:12 AM EDT
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oh well ohka
by justin0070000 on
Oct 4, 2007 6:38 PM EDT
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If he's on our team...
by Paul Householder on
Oct 5, 2007 11:40 AM EDT
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2008
Chicago - Will be competitive but finish behind Milwaukee
Pittsburgh - Will not finish last in the Central in 2008
Houston - Will improve as a team but not in the standings.
St. Louis - Will continue their slyde down the slippery slope.
Reds - ??
by Caleb on Oct 4, 2007 6:18 PM EDT 0 recs
When the cubs get A-Rod
Brewers could add a veteran starter who is solid
St.Louis gets lucky so they might get a random 20 game winner {Carpenter in 04} or 40HR guy who does HGH
Stros-Pence,Berkman and Lee will be good...can the rest of the lineup be good? Oswald great....ther others could be worst than the reds
Pirates-Bay had a down year, Sanchez is solid. But they are Pittsburgh...they do have Matt Morris now!!!
Reds-Dunn and Griffey could be gone after one season...Harang had a good year not great, Bronson is an average starter who struggles to hit 90MPH now. Could be a 4th place team at best no matter what happens
by Zach K on Oct 4, 2007 10:00 PM EDT 0 recs
Explain to me
by Man Mountain on
Oct 5, 2007 2:33 AM EDT
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He was close but not there
He wasn't lights out every start, in fact early in the season if he didn't get atleast 5 runs a game he wouldn't of had a few of his 16 wins. He is obviously very good, but not great. I believe that their are only two great pitchers in the MLB. Santana and Halladay. Webb, Beckett, Wong, Harang, Sabathia are very good pitchers.
by Zach K on
Oct 5, 2007 5:53 AM EDT
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Halladay?
I think Halladay is a great pitcher, but I'd probably rank Peavy and Webb ahead of him and maybe Oswalt as well.
I know it's just one season, and I would say that Halladay is a better pitcher, but I thought it was interesting that you said he was great and not Harang when their numbers this year were probably as close as any two starting pitchers get.
Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
2007 30 TOR AL 16 7 31 31 7 1 0 0 225.3 232 101 93 15 48 139 3.71 4.65 125 1.243
2007 29 CIN NL 16 6 34 34 2 1 0 0 231.7 213 100 96 28 52 218 3.73 4.75 127 1.144
by Slyde on
Oct 5, 2007 8:58 AM EDT
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I hope close...
by chandrathan on
Oct 5, 2007 9:04 AM EDT
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Nah
by Slyde on
Oct 5, 2007 9:09 AM EDT
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Yes...
Of course, Harang didn't pitch in the A.L. East....
by chandrathan on
Oct 5, 2007 9:20 AM EDT
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Yep
Zach Day
Roy Halladay
Matt Holiday
All are good players...well ok 2 of the 3 are but you can make it in the majors if you have Day anywhere in your last name. This proves that.
by Zach K on
Oct 5, 2007 9:11 AM EDT
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For a second there
You're not, are you?
by Slyde on
Oct 5, 2007 9:15 AM EDT
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You caught me
...you know too much Slyde
by Zach K on
Oct 5, 2007 9:19 AM EDT
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he's going to have to kill you!
Oh wait. I dunno if we have one of those.
by andromache on
Oct 5, 2007 12:14 PM EDT
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Other great pitchers...
Jake Peavy?
Cole Hamels?
Chris Young?
Erik Bedard?
Zach, are there really only two great pitchers in MLB, or are you talking about Sega Genesis Baseball again?
by Paul Householder on
Oct 5, 2007 11:48 AM EDT
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Did we just get lectured
by Man Mountain on
Oct 5, 2007 1:51 PM EDT
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Gotta agree with ya MM...
by chandrathan on
Oct 5, 2007 2:02 PM EDT
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there are only two great pitchers
by boobs on
Oct 5, 2007 6:00 PM EDT
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Exciting.
by Paul Householder on
Oct 5, 2007 2:11 PM EDT
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Are you the Real Paul Householder!?!
by chandrathan on
Oct 5, 2007 2:14 PM EDT
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I don't get it...
by Paul Householder on
Oct 6, 2007 2:34 AM EDT
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Oswalt?
by Red Menace on
Oct 6, 2007 1:15 PM EDT
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Just like Dunn, right?
by Slyde on
Oct 6, 2007 2:25 PM EDT
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hold on
by Man Mountain on
Oct 6, 2007 2:56 PM EDT
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Oswalt
He also posted the highest WHIP of his career by a large margin. His innings pitched have been steadily dropping as he hasn't been going as deep into games. Basically he's still a very good pitcher but he's not dominant anymore.
These peripherals haven't affected his ERA much yet. He still has that boogeyman thing going on for Reds fans, which I think makes it easy for us to overrate him. If you're talkig about the best-of-the-best pitchers (Johan, Peavey, Webb) he just doesn't belong in the discussion anymore. Especially if next year at age 30 things keep trending the way they have.
by Red Menace on
Oct 7, 2007 3:45 AM EDT
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His K/9 in 2004 was 7.82
by justin0070000 on
Oct 7, 2007 3:10 PM EDT
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Surprisingly
His K/9 rate has been dropping pretty much since he came up in the majors, with only a slight uptick in 2004 compared to 2003. Until this year, his walk rate had been dropping. Not sure what happened this year, but like I said, it's my only concern.
His line drive against rate has been dropping while his GB rate has been going up (over 53% this season). He's not up to Brandon Webb levels, but perhaps his style is evolving?
And he is going as deep into games as in the past, well almost. This year he averaged 6.6 IP per start. In his peak season when he pitched 241 innings, he averaged 6.9 IP per start. So he's averaged about 1 fewer out per start. I don't think that is significant and could be just a result of the fact that he's been injured enough to miss a couple of starts each of the last two seasons. I suppose that could be a reason to knock him off the elite step, but I'm not sure.
by Slyde on
Oct 7, 2007 8:37 PM EDT
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I think he is off the "elite step"
Matt Holiday would be an Elite Pitcher as well...I knew you would ask me that!
by Zach K on
Oct 7, 2007 8:51 PM EDT
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It's a matter of degree
And sure I wouldn't mind penciling him into our rotation after Harang.
by Red Menace on
Oct 7, 2007 11:35 PM EDT
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Maybe Oswalt has another act in his career.
by chandrathan on
Oct 8, 2007 12:02 PM EDT
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I doubt it
by justin0070000 on
Oct 8, 2007 8:45 PM EDT
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I would love to have a giant tractor
by Slyde on
Oct 8, 2007 9:04 PM EDT
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Then you could join...
by chandrathan on
Oct 9, 2007 12:21 AM EDT
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Bronson never exactly blew out the jug gun
by justin0070000 on
Oct 5, 2007 11:46 AM EDT
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dont forget about the bullpen help we have
by boobs on Oct 5, 2007 1:04 PM EDT 0 recs
gone, but I don't blame wayne
by Man Mountain on
Oct 5, 2007 1:42 PM EDT
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Calvin's got a job. Hey Calvin!
by Brendanukkah on
Oct 5, 2007 1:58 PM EDT
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I see...
by BubbaFan on Oct 5, 2007 6:54 PM EDT 0 recs














