You thought It couldn't get any worse for Dunn than August? Welcome to September

not tonight, dude

can't you just wait until after Sunday...

by Slyde on Sep 27, 2006 11:19 PM EDT reply actions

exactly

michael, you're a jackass. why don't you go back to your porn or whatever loser thing you were doing before you had to picket this funeral?

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 27, 2006 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions

sorry

i'm upset right now. i didn't mean to sound so evil.

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 27, 2006 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks for pointing this out.

I thought Dunn has been gangbusters lately, I had no idea...

More more more ....... how do you like it?

by Gapper on Sep 27, 2006 11:21 PM EDT reply actions

Yup, Dunn's responsible

for all 15 men LOB tonight.

Thanks for the recap.

"No, no, no. It's "step, pivot, step, pause." Are you TRYING to piss off the volcano god?" - Peter Griffin

by Ash on Sep 27, 2006 11:34 PM EDT reply actions

Damn

That's an impressive OBP to go along with that batting average.

That's one of the many reasons I like Dunn. Because he knows how to take a walk he never goes through a completely dead slump. Even though he's having trouble hitting the ball well he's still getting on base a third of the time. That's pretty valuable.

And yeah, tonight is shitty timing. No offense Michael, but it's stuff like this that makes people question whether you're really that much of a fan of the Reds.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Sep 27, 2006 11:36 PM EDT reply actions

Not tonight dude....

Not tonight.

by bigjas on Sep 27, 2006 11:52 PM EDT reply actions

Even I think you're a jackass.

Little voices are people too.

by Mini Michael on Sep 28, 2006 12:22 AM EDT reply actions

Hahahahahahahahahah!........Whew!

Almost a forced maniacal laughter because I'm, well, pretty fucking down right now. Thank you for the laugh, I needed it. I feel almost guilty posting in his diary, like I'm enabling. You know he's feeding on this. Like a little child who wanders into the middle of a conversation(bonus points).....wait a minute. You're in his head. You know what he's feeding on. What is he feeding on?

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Right now...

He's drinking Metamucil each morning, because he's been a bit "irregular" lately. The prune juice just wasn't strong enough. Of course, the Metamucil also causes him to be a bit "flatulent," if you will. If he had a social life, it would make things very interesting, but alas, he thinks that needling you guys here at RR is his social life. In any case, I have to air out our room here at the YMCA every night, else we might have an explosion at some point. Could be the reason he's being such a jackass right now, so forgive him.

You will miss this putt, ya jackass. (Bonus points).

Little voices are people too.

by Mini Michael on Sep 28, 2006 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions

Haha!

Go home ball! You too good for your home?!

I'll forgive him. If this is his real picture, I have a feeling I used to work with him. Or does he just look familiar to everyone?

I figured he was giving you homemade Boboli pizza. Getting the oven temp right for those things is a nightmare, just thought maybe that's why he's coming of as a pud at a time like this. Cooking frustration, that's all. Hang in there Mini!

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions

You eat pieces of shit for breakfast???

"Noooo"

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions

Ha!

Someone needs to get Michael a nice warm glass

Hey everyone! Let's highjack this thread with Gilmore quotes. A no guilt highjacking.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Look at the nametag...

you're in my world now grandma!

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

You know what?

You're a lousy kindergarten teacher! I've seen those fingerpaintins' you bring home and they SUCK!

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Doing the bull dance.

Feeling the flow. Working it. Working it.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

He's trying to take the thread

back, below.

Michael: "Hate Dunn and stay out of my way, or you'll pay. Listen to what I say!"

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions

How about I just go eat some hay.

I could make things out of clay, and lay by the bay, I just may. What d'ya say?

Don't worry, I used the "nuh uh" defense on him. It's impenetrable.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

The price is WRONG, Bitch!

We're not getting much help here.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

That's okay, it's still fun anyway

Golf requires goofy pants and a fat ass. You should talk to my neighbor the accountant. Probably a great golfer. Huge ass!

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Continued below

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions

Michael, you and Dunn have one thing in common.

Dunner likes balls. Even when he's not hitting, those balls will still make him a somewhat useful player. You also like balls. Unfortunately, you lack that same usefulness. Your act is tired and nobody gives a shit about you at this point. It's blatantly obvious that you're just here to troll and you serve no purpose. Go play in traffic.

by Geki on Sep 28, 2006 12:50 AM EDT reply actions

I made this for you.

The magic of this animated .gif is that, if you sit back and watch it for a while, it says the same things over. and over. and over. ad nauseum. So, although a number of liberties have been taken (and greatly enjoyed), perhaps it sums up your schtick better than one might expect from a novelty such as this.

More more more ....... how do you like it?

by Gapper on Sep 28, 2006 1:06 AM EDT reply actions

re:

to all of you ... I'm a fan alright - A reds fan. and I have been since long before the era where 300 pound players could masquerade as quality players by taking 100 walks.

I've been watching this guy very closely now for 4 years. He is stealing money. I'd counter that if you care about this franchise, if YOU are a fan than even if it is counter to what you might "wish", it is time for you to accept the reality of Dunn and his lack of quality production.

I didn't make those numbers up. Those are DUNN's numbers for the past 2 months.

And even after his July where he was so hot that he to some degree saved some of his cumulative season totals, even after that month.... his BA with RISP for season is back to .227 (horrid like it has been the previous 5 years). He leads all outfielders in errors for season. He leads majors in strikeouts. He is hitting sub-.235, slugging sub-.500, OBP sub-.370. And the little things? forget about the intangible/finer points of game.... They don't exist in Adam Dunn baseball.

He was prepared to take his team to arbitration last year to squeeze out all the $$$ he possibly could. He never played winter ball in his 6 years in the majors despite only playing one full year of high school baseball and having weaknesses in game which needed addressing. When Guillen was outplaying him 10:1 in 2003 and team was contending Dunn clung to his starting position eventhough the team suffered. In his tenure his everyday starts have effectively blocked the development of Jose Guillen, Willy Mo Pena, Ryan Freel, Austin Kearns, Chris Denorfia (just to name the most visible ones).

For those one or two short lived hot streaks each season he can be a force. His "norm" though is at best a wash. And when he is bad (a whole lot of the time) he is awful. And for this, a ~60-70 million payroll team will pay him 10+ million next year barring trade. Time to trade.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 28, 2006 7:07 AM EDT reply actions

arbitration

is a way of life in MLB now. Would you honestly say that if that option exsisted in your career path you wouldn't take it?

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions

winter ball

Somehow I do not think that winter ball, other than actually playing more games, helps develop players. It isn't like these guys that play winter league practice all day then play an evening game.

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions

errors

while it is true that he has more errors than any other outfielder you should point out, for sake of argument, that he has 12. He is so far out in front in that category that he leads the next closest player by a grand total of 1.

He is third in the majors in walks which I think is a good thing. Yes he does lead the majors in k's and he needs to cut down on those, which to me is his biggest problem, and that is a bad thing.

I guess my question to you is what do you expect him to be? Dimaggio, Ruth, Mays all rolled into one? Because that is what it seems like you want. What would a "perfect" Adam Dunn be? And off my team in not an acceptable answer

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions

last post (for now)

I appreciate Michael's posts about Dunn. While I do not totally agree with him there are certain things that Dunn could improve on. But then again couldn't we all.

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Dunn apologetics

I certainly will not pretend that Dunn has been contributing much lately. He has had a very rough August and a terrible September. But you can not put this whole thing on Dunn. I would say that over 90% of all players today are not five tool players. He certainly isn't a franchise player like Pujols or Arod but rather simply a power hitter, who walks a lot, that needs better players around him to augment his talents.

Would you really take Guillen over him? That guy has been a club house cancer and run out of every town he has played in. And are his numbers any better than Dunn's? Wily Mo is the only outfielder I can think of who is worse than Dunn. Pena has to rank as the worst defender I have ever seen in 40 years of watching the Reds.

If Dunn is as bad as you say why in the world would any team trade for him? He should have no worth to anyone according to you. I still think that the guy is learning the game and has time to improve. Either bat him second or drop him to sixth or seventh in the order, move him to first base and try to develop him. I'm not sure how hard the guy works, or doesn't work, in the off season and I'm not sure how you know what he does, or doesn't do, to improve. AT what point do you write off players, when do you give up on a guy?

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 8:20 AM EDT reply actions

Dunn

has been in a slump since Griffey has been out. You don't get alot of good things to hit when your protection in the lineup is David Ross and Rich Aurilia. Jr. Changes the whole makeup of a lineup when he is in there.

Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle

by MixFMKyle on Sep 28, 2006 8:54 AM EDT reply actions

re: winter leagues... arizona fall leagues...

no doubt like anything else you'd get out of a year of winter ball or arizona fall league ball what you put into it...

If Dunn would have gone in trying to set a winter/arizona league record for homeruns to right field it would have done him nothing.

If Dunn would have recognized and owned that to be a better hitter he needed to improve his contact and alter his approach and that better fitness would help him as well he might have gotten a whole lot from winter/arizona league ball. He could have been begging for the reds to allow him to play winter ball to work on nothing but contact/opposite field hitting and defense. No doubt he didn't.

He also no doubt had an opportunity in 2003 when he was stinking from here to texas to go back to the minors to address issues....no doubt he didn't..

Dunn is all about the $$$, being a pro athlete and living the life..........

He has clearly never been about being the best possible baseball player he can be or about doing the finer things in the game which can help a TEAM win even if they appear in the short run to hurt your personal statistics........

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 28, 2006 11:06 AM EDT reply actions

nuh uh

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions

Gold jacket, Green jacket, who gives a shit.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm stupid.

You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good looking. I'm not attractive.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions

This is one of my favorites

I was going to use it during the "bunt the runners over" thing.

What, they wouldn't let you play cause you're black?
Hell no! Damn alligator bit my hand off!
Oh my GOD!

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

heh, I like that one too

Step right up folks. See if you can out drive the amazing golf ball uh whacker guy.

I can see Adam Dunn saying that line, when he's at the golf course being an elitist and blowing off batting practice on his day off.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions

You know what else

could draw a crowd? A golfer with an arm growing out of his ass

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions

You know my girlfriend is dead.

She fell off a cliff and died on impact.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Clearly...

We are back in our Happy Place.

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 28, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Damn you people. Go back to your shanties.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions

That is MY puck baby!

Dont't you ever touch my puck!

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Damnit!

Is this goal regulation size or what?

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions

ok

winter ball and instructional league ball are too different things.

"Dunn is all about the $$$, being a pro athlete and living the life'

I have never gotten that impression from him.

SO is he the only guy on the team that falls short in doing the little things? That is a league wide problem. But why is he the lone object of your wrath? Griffey doesn't steal bases, move runners over, play in September but you don't drop the hammer on him. Why the hatred of Dunn?

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Caleb...

If you're going to respond to this inveterate, pigheaded mule, you might as well do so in Pirate. Arrr...

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 28, 2006 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Or in Gilmore.

Well then, better luck next year.
That wasn't--- very--- nice.
You think you're better than me?!?!

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Gilmore

all I got is

"During high school, I played junior hockey and still hold two league records. Most time spent in the penalty box and I was the only guy to ever take off his skate and try to stab somebody."

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

That's the spirit Caleb!

You can count.Good for you.
And you can count on me waiting
for you in the parking lot.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Paul, I don't remember that quote

You know what's driving me crazy? You not getting the ball in the hole!
Don't push me, Bob. Now's not the time!

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

ARRRRRRRRRR

probably so. It be a sad day me buckos when they be keel holin one of our own lads. Goes again the Code if ye be knowin what i'm talkin about. We didn't make that scurvy dawg Menace walk the plank when he lost the fight to the wench Murton fan. Of course we didn't know it was forrrrrre play either. Where's my undead monkey?

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions

This man is destroying golf.

I saw two fat bikers in the woods
off 17 having sex.

by DisplacedFan on Sep 28, 2006 11:52 AM EDT reply actions

At Least I didn't punch anyone.

by DisplacedFan on Sep 28, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions

What?

Friends Iisten to ''EndIess Love''
in the dark.

by DisplacedFan on Sep 28, 2006 11:54 AM EDT reply actions

You're gonna die, cIown!

by DisplacedFan on Sep 28, 2006 11:58 AM EDT reply actions

Price is wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzNXuACP5I8

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 28, 2006 12:00 PM EDT reply actions

You can't play in Chubs' memory,

I called it.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:01 PM EDT reply actions

Wanna go to the sizzler and get some grub?

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 12:03 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah, that's me

hitting my friend on the head with a hammer. But I was pretty quick to make up.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:04 PM EDT reply actions

Hey, you know that 'Mista Mista Lady'?

I think I just killed her!

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 12:07 PM EDT reply actions

Apparently, he has a short fuse too.

He got in a few lucky punches, but I fell I won the fight.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:09 PM EDT reply actions

Did that go in?

I wasn't watching, did it go in? I didn't see it, could you tell me if it went in?

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 12:11 PM EDT reply actions

If I wore cIothes Like those,

I'd have to kick ny own ass.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:24 PM EDT reply actions

What the hell is going on here?

Uh... I was just looking for the other half of this bottle. Oh. There's some... and some more.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 12:26 PM EDT reply actions

The only thing that makes me

happy anymore this.......this fresh, delicious, tasty, meaty Cold Cut Combo. I eat three
every day just to keep strong.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 12:37 PM EDT reply actions

Where were you on that one, dipshit?

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry, had to work.

Anyone else's professional life suffering a little this last two weeks? Anyway:

I thought we were friends.
We are. I just have to go.
I'II be at the Red Lobster in case you change your mind.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 1:09 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah, I'm not getting anything done

It's all in the hips. It's all in the hips. It's all in the hips. It's all in the hips.

Get off of me.

Just easing the tension, baby. Just easing the tension.

Yeah, well ease it on someone else.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Dunn

He is a talented guy who took the path of least resistance to the big paycheck. I bet he would play well in Houston. or a DH as a Ranger. I do not think he is a fit for this ball club. I agree with Micheal on many areas, he is disgracefull in the OF. he is poor with RISP. and his intangable quality is that he is more interested in himself than his team. Lets get what we can for him.

GO REDS!

by ewquinn on Sep 28, 2006 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

more interested in himself than his team

Can I ask why you think that? I'm not looking to get into a big discussion of the value of Dunn as a player, but you and Michael aren't the first people to say this and for the life of me, I can't figure out why people think that. I don't remember a single event, quote, or other thing that would show this to be the case. Am I forgetting or ignoring something?

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

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"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

that's the most backward thing I've ever read

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

!ouY nmaD

!syas siht tahw tuo gnirugif setunim evif dneps ot dah tsuj I

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

!ah ah ah

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Your next challenge,

should you chose to accept it: write backwards with backward letters, as in "Toys R Us."

More more more ....... how do you like it?

by Gapper on Sep 29, 2006 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

re:

let his actions speak louder than the words you don't hear then..........

He doesn't do any of the "little things" which are in fact about the "team" and not about his OPS for example:
-consciously hit behind runners? no...
-consciously cut swing to improve contact when game situation deems appropriate? no....
-play solid defense? no...
-be versatile defensively to give mgr more options? no...
-take walks to inflate personal OBP
-RUN/JOG out to his LF position to start innings to project positive image as member of team? no...
-make himself into a very good bunter so he can sacrafice himself if game situation deems appropriate? no....
-make himself into someone capable of exploiting the shift that is used on him so he can call on those skills when situationally appropriate? no......
-take it as personal challenge to cut strikeout totals and find a way to make it happen so as to be better at advancing teammates on the bases? no....

well there's a handful off the top of my head....

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 28, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I wasn't asking you

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha!

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Y'know what else irks Michael?

Dunn breathes through his nose and not his mouth.
Dunn drives a Chevy and not a Ford.
Dunn doesn't eat his vegetables at dinner.
Dunn is a remote hog.
Dunn drinks out of the milk carton.
Dunn likes The Godfather trilogy more than the Star Wars trilogy.
Dunn has friends and a shit-ton of money.

...that's what I can come up with off the top of my head...

"No, no, no. It's "step, pivot, step, pause." Are you TRYING to piss off the volcano god?" - Peter Griffin

by Ash on Sep 28, 2006 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Dunn leaves the seat up

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

point #6 is irrelevant.

Dunn does like llamas, however.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

and wookies

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey,

where's those photoshops you were bragging about?

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

sorry

i am busy at work today and haven't had a chance to finish them. in the meantime, look at hitler and veteran presence.

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions

You will miss this putt...

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 28, 2006 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

re:re

consciously hit behind runners? no...

could possibly result in a lot of double plays

-consciously cut swing to improve contact when game situation deems appropriate? no....

Agreed he sucks at that

-play solid defense? no...

He could improve in that area. I would put him at first base

-be versatile defensively to give mgr more options? no...

Some guys are and have that ability. Not sure how you fault some one for that

-take walks to inflate personal OBP

That is a really, really silly statement. I guess none of the walks were taken to help extend an inning or get runners on for team mates. Come on, don't let your hatred get the best of you. If he swings and strikes out he is a bum. If he walks he is selfish. You can not have both sides of the argument.

-RUN/JOG out to his LF position to start innings to project positive image as member of team? no...

You and I are old school but very few people do that any more. I can't fault him for that.

-make himself into a very good bunter so he can sacrafice himself if game situation deems appropriate? no....

name a good bunter in the majors that has 40 home runs.

-make himself into someone capable of exploiting the shift that is used on him so he can call on those skills when situationally appropriate? no......

Ted Williams struggled with a shift also.

-take it as personal challenge to cut strikeout totals and find a way to make it happen so as to be better at advancing teammates on the bases? no....

agreed, some of his outs could be more productive.

It just seems like you want him to be the greatest player ever and he does not have the 5 tool ability to do that.

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 28, 2006 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

you ever just get that feeling?

Most every interview I have seen, every quote I have read. that is the context that I see it in. Mostly.. It is his mannerism on the field. I see Indifferance. the way he walks away from a strikeout, the way we wonders to the corner to retrieve a a double down the line.
So you are right...its no one thinng you can point out, he is just not the type of player I want on my team.

GO REDS!

by ewquinn on Sep 28, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions

So, essentially

it comes down to the fact that he doesn't play the style of game that you like. That's fine. I have no problem with that. As long as you are willing to differentiate between that and whether he is a productive player (the last two months notwithstanding).

And so you know where I'm coming from, I see a guy who plays 160 games a year, never blames his teammates for his struggles, never complains to the media, and tries to keep a good nature around the clubhouse. He's not going to be a leader, but you could definitely have worse teammates.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

He is certainly productive

My biggest point is that he has more value to other teams, I think he could set the world on fire in Texas (thus if I where a texas GM I would pay a higher price for him). I love the amount of walks he gets...But why, why, why doesn't that pitch selection reflect in fewer strikeouts? thats does not track to me. also, it leaves him on first base allot, and I agree that he is a smart baserunner, but certainly not a fast one. I dont care if you hit 40 homers, if you can't/won't lay down a bunt, then I would prefer someone else. So Slyde, I think you are right, it IS a matter of preferance. Thus why his exsitance is so hottly debated on this and all red blogs. I think his biggest asset to us is that someother Gm can pick him up and his local paper will say "Cunning GM wisely trades for 40HR man". Hay, that sounds good to me!

GO REDS!

by ewquinn on Sep 28, 2006 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions

cool

Just to look at a couple of your points:

But why, why, why doesn't that pitch selection reflect in fewer strikeouts?
This is the best explanation that I can think of: http://www.redreporter.com/comments/2005/8/5/35225/35534/11#11

it leaves him on first base allot, and I agree that he is a smart baserunner, but certainly not a fast one.

He has been #1 or #2 on the Reds for the last couple of seasons in terms of scoring from first base. Plus, he's led the Reds in runs going on 3 years now. He's doing something right.

I dont care if you hit 40 homers, if you can't/won't lay down a bunt, then I would prefer someone else.

He laid down a bunt once earlier this season and Narron criticized him saying that he's up there to hit the ball hard. Granted, the timing of his bunt was bad, but I don't think his manager wants him up there bunting all that much.

So Slyde, I think you are right, it IS a matter of preferance.

I appreciate that you say that. I don't have any problem with people disliking Dunn or criticizing him for that matter. As long as you acknowledge the good with the bad and vice versa.

I think his biggest asset to us is that someother Gm can pick him up and his local paper will say "Cunning GM wisely trades for 40HR man".

This is a good question. I don't like to hypothesize on a player's trade value because we rarely know what's actually available. But trading Dunn is creating a big hole in an already porous offense. I imagine the Reds can get some quality talent in return for him, but at this point, is it just a matter of shifting the balance sheet around and breaking even with where you are at. It'll be interesting to see what Krivsky does this off-season.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh.

I have to add, I agree that he has made no visable effort to change his swing situationaly, it does not seem matter who is on base, what the score is, or what the defence is doing, he is swinging for the warning track. He does not strike me as an intelligent hitter.

GO REDS!

by ewquinn on Sep 28, 2006 2:03 PM EDT reply actions

I get it! It's Happy Gilmore!

Lots of bonus points for me.

by Red Menace on Sep 28, 2006 3:22 PM EDT reply actions

Cha-ching

Don't spend them all in one place.

by Slyde on Sep 28, 2006 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey, Gilmore did it's job

for at least 4 hours of my day.

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 28, 2006 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

RR has Michael tied up in a thread

Mini Michael: `They've thrown our things out the window, General.'

Michael: `Good for them. Our uniforms too? That was clever. We'll never be able to convince anyone we're superior without our uniforms.'

Mini Michael: `Let's get their names, Tony, and--'

Michael: `Oh, Mini, relax,' said the slender man with practiced weariness. `You may be pretty good at moving armored divisions into action, but you're almost useless in a social situation. Sooner or later we'll get our uniforms back, and then we'll be their superiors again. Did they really throw our uniforms out? That was a splendid tactic.'

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 3:51 PM EDT reply actions

change tony to michael

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Narron on Winter Ball...

Interestingly in pre-game tonite Narron commented on winter ball. He said both Denorfia and Hopper expressed an interest in playing winter ball and the reds will find them a spot.

Somehow I don't think that has changed dramatically in 5 years. More than likely Dunn would have had the same opportunity - Dunn most likely just never wanted to play winter ball or fall ball.

Narron also commented on how winter ball is a great place to work on things with your game......hmmmm......Dunn must have thought he had nothing to work on with his game back in his first couple/few years?........or just didn't care...or too lazy or not interested....etc..etc... whatever the reason, very telling about where Dunn's head was then....

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 28, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions

in case you missed it

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 10:24 PM EDT reply actions

Excellent!

Can you animate this too?

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 28, 2006 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

i wish

i still haven't learned that.

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Should dump it in Michael's Wiki also.

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 28, 2006 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

ok, done

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

re:

oh that is awful....

that is brutal
looks like I just knocked one into the river. Dig me !!

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 28, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

For more photoshopping options

please provide us with hi-res photos of you, preferably with mixed expressions, such as elation (think of Dunn striking out), and fuming (Dunn home run).

More more more ....... how do you like it?

by Gapper on Sep 29, 2006 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions

is this better

i tried to clean the face up a bit.

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions

i guess the first one is better

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 28, 2006 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I use ImageReady to animate; it usually comes with Photoshop, and is in the Creative Suite if you have, unlike me, updated in the last five years.

More more more ....... how do you like it?

by Gapper on Sep 29, 2006 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions

If you've got CS2

you can animate straight from photoshop itself. I made this last night while still seething after the game and the initial posting of this thread. A few hours sleep and some Happy Gilmore do wonders for a soul, especially when were still ALLIVVEE!

I don't trust boobs.

by sukr on Sep 29, 2006 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Well, well.

I'm guessing that you bummed the Creative Suite off a buddy up at UD. My trusty Tangent-brand computer is still rife with the bounty of my pirating exploits; we passed around the bootleg software like blunts at Dmitri Young's house.

More more more ....... how do you like it?

by Gapper on Sep 29, 2006 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions