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Adam Dunn Lacks Savvy

I'm of the opinion that Dunn's career is on the downslide. Some will point to his age and say his "peak" years still lie ahead. I don't think so. But of all the things missing from Adam Dunn's baseball game (and the list is long)..... perhaps savvy is one of the most important and glaring......

savvy - "practical understanding; shrewdness or intelligence; common sense"

Dunn's game lacks intelligence. His game lacks gamesmanship. His game lacks shrewdness. I can imagine him gunslinging back in his grid iron days. But I doubt he was a Joe Montana.

When you have a hand in poker one strategy is to raise "a little". Send out an "invite" for others to call you... maybe even raise you. With Dunn there is no cat and mouse. Dunn swings at his pitches and tries to hit them over the fence. Period.

Muhammad Ali had the "rope a dope". Good football defenses "bend but don't break". With 2 outs a good pitcher might give 2 free bases on balls just to get to the hitter he wants to strikeout to end the inning and win the game.

Dunn doesn't swing at pitches that aren't strikes very often. Is that good? In one sense .... probably yes. However, in poker there are times you raise a not very good hand and cost yourself chips just so you can be in a better position to win lots of chips on a big hand later in the game.

Dunn has no such savvy. Suppose with a man on second (first base open) and one or two outs Dunn had the game to be aggressive on the first pitch...even the second pitch. Suppose he went down 0-1. Then maybe got in a hole 1-2. A pitcher may have been planning to pitch around the donkey but if he gets up on him 1-2 awfully tough to not take one or two more tries at getting the out. If Dunn had the game and the "smarts" he'd know what was coming and if he had the skill the result could be an opposite field double to drive in the run and put himself on second base.

Alas, you'll see no such savvy from Adam Dunn. Adam is a walkman. Adam is HR/K/BB.  You'll always feel like you have the short straw with Adam Dunn.

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i might agree with you on some points
But quit posting the same thing twice a week.

by greg456 on Sep 22, 2006 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hear hear!
More more more ....... how do you like it?

by Gapper on Sep 22, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is Michael, really?
I thought it was Dunn himself, but then Michael posted during a Dunn at bat.

I thought it was Marty next, but I've since come to realize that Marty has better things to do, like golf.

I thought it might be Geki, perhaps with a split personality.

But no, none of these make much more sense than llamas.  I still don't think Michael is a real person.  No one can really be that persistent in making no point, can they?

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 22, 2006 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Need to move past the usual suspects...
Consider whether Michael actually is:
  1.  Chris Denorfia
  2.  Norris Hopper
  3.  Ryan Freel
  4.  DeWayne Wise
  5.  Tracy Jones
  6.  Andy Furman
  7.  NEILYNG/BShakey
  8.  Pat Robertson
  9.  Quinton McCrappen
I personally think he's Tony Womack trying to get back on the team.
Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 22, 2006 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! Vote in the poll.
I have a virtual line-up going.
Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 22, 2006 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i posted this
before the poll was up.
"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 22, 2006 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
I've also heard he lacks pizzazz. And flair. And don't even get me started on the lack of dazzle.
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Sep 22, 2006 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

savvy
Network Lady: Bart's got something you can't learn in school: zazz!
Lisa: What is 'zazz'?
Network Lady: Zing! Zork! Kapowza! Call it what you want, in any language it spells mazuma in the bank!
.

by Red Menace on Sep 22, 2006 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore
I'm beginning to question his commitment to Sparkle Motion.

(bonus points)

by Brendanukkah on Sep 22, 2006 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Donnie Darko
Good movie.
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Sep 22, 2006 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one ever claimed Dunn
was intelligent.  In fact, they make fun of him for professing to have read two books in his life.

Many baseball players these days are on the other side of intelligent.  Listen to interviews, you know?  Because, like, you know, Ryan Freel, you know, isn't the brightest bulb on the tree, you know?

"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 22, 2006 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael, Michael, Michael
Don't you ever get tired of grasping at these straws?

Your comparison is completely idiotic.  The "rope a dope" was showing off; Ali did it simply to humiliate his opponent.  "Bend don't break" defense?  That's a fancy way of saying "lucky".  In the long run, teams that give up a bunch of yards always give up more points than those that don't.

But the worst is this:  Dunn doesn't swing at pitches that aren't strikes very often. Is that good? In one sense .... probably yes. However, in poker there are times you raise a not very good hand and cost yourself chips just so you can be in a better position to win lots of chips on a big hand later in the game.

Baseball isn't poker.  If Dunn swings at bad pitches, he can't get those strikes back like they were chips; he certainly can't get outs back.  And as I've said time and time again, outs are the single most precious thing in baseball - you only get 27 of them, and once you've used them up, you lose.

Dunn is at a disadvantage, like every hitter:  He has to beat both the pitcher and the defense.  That's why even the best hitters only hit .350 - the odds are against them getting hits.  Now you want to lessen his odds by swinging at bad pitches?  Name a single player who does this.

I'll give you one thing:  Despite what everyone around here thinks, you can post something more idiotic every day.

by sidnancy on Sep 22, 2006 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Swinging at bad pitches...
There is one player who does this, and that's Vladimir Guerrero.  He is a freak.

But the point still stands, that most hitters don't do better by swinging at bad balls.

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 22, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vlad
But he doesn't do it to "set up" the pitcher; he just swings at everything (and hits many of them).

by sidnancy on Sep 22, 2006 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.
I didn't really read Michael's post (surprise!).

Now that you made me do it, it is pretty silly.

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Sep 22, 2006 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball vs. Poker
Umm...Michael...a new analogy?  And, bend but don't break defenses aren't very good very long.  Also, I've never heard of them having "savvy", either...where's the savvy in giving up tons of yards?  Letting your offense rest?

I just want Michael to do one of two things:

  1.  Make some new arguements about Dunn (this just in:  Dunn hits lots of HRs, strikes out a lot, and walks a lot)
  2.  Find another player to either a) bash, or b)  take as his "golden child"

by biggsd on Sep 22, 2006 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah! THIS is Michael!
"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." ~ Sparky Anderson

by Daedalus on Sep 22, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Freel
Glad you brought up Freel...

You don't steal 30+ bases without having a little speed AND savvy...which further points out a problem with Dunn. Dunn CHOOSES to go through the motions. He CHOOSES to be just an automaton taking his big swings at the pitches he deems in his zone and doing little else.

Dunn demonstrated in his first year when he stole 19 bases that he was capable of keeping his head in the game. He is capable of exerting the extra energy and the extra focus to get leadoffs and good jumps.......

But Dunn CHOOSES to give his 70% effort. And his 70% just isn't worth it......

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 22, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.
That "savvy" that Dunn doesn't have on the basepaths?  He's currently 7-7 in SB, which is considered pretty good.  The year he stole 19 bases, he was caught 9 times, which is terrible (the best catchers in the game only throw out 33% of baserunners).  So actually, he's more valuable (savvy, perhaps?) now than he was before.

Freel, meanwhile, has been caught stealing 11 times this season; that doesn't include pick-offs (I believe he's been picked off 7 times).  That hurts a team.  Alot.  It isn't "smart" or "savvy" to give away that many outs.

Do you ever actually watch baseball?

by sidnancy on Sep 22, 2006 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree
Herb Washington. All speed no saavy
"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 22, 2006 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do you measure
how much effort a player is giving?

Is there a situation where you would have Dunn in your lineup or even on your team?

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 22, 2006 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's where I come in.
I talk to Adam's little voice, Homer K.  He gives me all the rundown on when Adam is really trying.  I chart everything on my Utility Belt, then update Michael with graphs and analysis.

That time, Adam was actually trying.  He got distracted, though because Homer K was talking to him about how The View is no longer the show it once was because Star Jones left.

Little voices are people too.

by Mini Michael on Sep 22, 2006 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:
obviously .. I don't like him. I never would have drafted him.. and if I had him I'd be looking to trade him..

that said, if I had him, ... sure I would spot start him - probably in the outfield if that's what he preferred. I'd use him off the bench too for his big swing abilities and BBs - I'd just yank him for a pinch runner if I need the base runner.....

I'd never bat him in the middle of the lineup. And I'd make it clear to him that how much playing time he was going to get would be entirely up to him and how much he improved...

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 22, 2006 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

trading dunn
but if he is as worthless as you think what would you possibly get for him?
"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 22, 2006 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:
I'd have traded him early on. I had him pegged as being a guy who wasn't going to improve.

If I had him now? the only hope is find the right team with a little money to burn and in dire need of a power bat.........I'd be happy with just the salary dump at this point....

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 22, 2006 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Reds don't need
a power bat?
"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Sep 22, 2006 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

13th error
Dunn makes his 13th error of the season...

AS the cubs announcer said "he just looked lackadaisical out there"....

lackadiasical .... "going through the motions"
same difference...

he lines out in first at bat... should have been a K tho... he went past plate on that check swing 3rd strike..

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 22, 2006 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: how to use dunn continued..
in other words I would not have fawned all over him like the reds did for six years.

I'd have made it clear to him that I had no use for a one dimensional baseball player in the starting lineup every day.

I'd tell him he could break into the lineup but he'd be needing to make some adjustments and an overhaul or two. In the meantime, he'd need to learn to like being a bench player/spot starter.....

I'd have been the tough love that cowboy needed from the start.

Enough with the Homeruns and Strikeouts

by MichaelRed on Sep 22, 2006 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a maroon
From day 1, Dunn has been the best hitter on the team.  By any measure other than "batting average" (which even a high school coach knows doesn't mean anything) - OPS, win shares, runs created, all of 'em.  Yet he's "one dimensional".  You'd make him "break in to the lineup".  Make him a "spot starter".

Every single year he's been here, he's been our best hitter.  In 116 games in '03, he had as much value as any other player, even Sean Casey (who played in 31 more games).

He isn't Lance Berkman; no one ever said he is.  He doesn't run like Ryan Freel; no one ever said he needed to to be valuable (you want one dimensional, there's one for you.  All he is is fast.  Terrible fielder.  No power.  Can't take a walk.  But boy, is he fast.)  But Dunn is a very good hitter.

Strikeouts don't matter; they look ugly, but they're only one out.  Walks do matter; they extend the inning (giving you another chance to score).  Home runs absolutely matter (you clear the bases, score some runs, and don't lose any outs).

If Dunn is such a terrible player, how is it he both scores and drives in over 100 runs every year?  Do you want us to believe it's luck?

You know what, Michael?  I sincerely hope you get a job running a major league team some day.  You'll have a team full of "savvy" players like Ryan Freel, and lose 140 games a year.  And everyone who's read this drivel you post will laugh and laugh.

by sidnancy on Sep 22, 2006 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey there, buddy....
So, ummmm, Michael...how you coming with my multiple choice questions?  Just, you know, curious.  They're only multiple choice, and they've been there for, what, 2 months or so.  All I need is some letters.  I'll even give you the link so you don't have to go back through my post history.

http://www.redreporter.com/comments/2006/8/31/22388/9352/66#66

Let me know if you have any questions or anything.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Sep 22, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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