today's developments--questions for more knowledgeable lurkers
Two things of note today:
Marcus Giles is set to sign with the Pads.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9878634
That's disappointing to me. Not that I expected the Reds to land him--and where would he play?--but I had hopes.
Also, Jeremy Bonderman signed a 4-year, $38 million extension with the Tigers.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9878647
My question is, what does this mean to Aaron Harang? Bonderman and Harang seem to be in approximately the same category, at least to me. If the Reds could lock up Harang to a similar contract, I'd think that would be a good deal for both sides.
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You beat me to it
This is not good, budget-wise. While they are similar, and at the same point arb-wise, Harang can point to being a better pitcher. Over the past 2 seasons:
- His k/bb is 3.54 vs. 2.87 for Bonderman
- His WHIP is 1.27 vs. 1.32, even though he plays in a more hitter-friendly park. Surprisingly, the league WHIP is the same for the 2 leagues over the past 2 years (1.39).
- His ERA+ (if I figured it right) is 122 vs. 102.
- He's pitches deeper into games, even though he pitches in a league without a DH (he's more likely to be hit for) - 6.66 IP/start vs. 6.4.
I've been arguing for 2 months that they should tie Harang up as soon as possible to a multi-year contract. They're really going to regret it now.
Neutralized stats for the two
Year Ag G W L WL% IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP ERA WHIP ActG
+-------+----+---+---+-----+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+-----+------+----+
2002 24 16 4 4 .500 80.3 74 42 38 7 43 65 3 4.26 1.456 16
2003 25 16 3 5 .375 76.3 89 50 45 11 19 42 1 5.31 1.415 16
2004 26 28 7 10 .412 158.3 183 103 93 27 55 122 5 5.29 1.503 28
2005 27 32 13 10 .565 210.3 215 98 88 22 51 161 8 3.77 1.265 32
2006 28 36 16 10 .615 239.0 231 99 89 27 53 220 8 3.35 1.188 36
+-------+----+---+---+-----+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+-----+------+----+
Totals 128 43 39 .524 764.3 792 392 353 94 221 612 25 4.16 1.325 128
Bonderman:
Year Ag G W L WL% IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP ERA WHIP ActG
+-------+----+---+---+-----+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+-----+------+----+
2003 20 33 6 12 .333 162.0 193 111 100 23 58 108 4 5.56 1.549 33
2004 21 33 9 11 .450 186.0 164 106 95 23 71 169 10 4.60 1.263 33
2005 22 29 10 11 .476 189.3 198 106 95 21 57 145 4 4.52 1.347 29
2006 23 34 13 11 .542 217.0 207 101 91 17 62 204 3 3.77 1.240 34
+-------+----+---+---+-----+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+-----+------+----+
Totals 129 38 45 .458 754.3 762 424 381 84 248 627 21 4.55 1.339 129
Like sidnancy said, Bonderman's 2006 is right on Harang's 2005 season, except with more strikeouts and a couple more walks.
I think the big thing that the Reds have going for them is that Harang is 5 years older than Bonderman. They can argue that Harang has reached his peak (or plateau if that makes you feel better), while Bonderman could argue that he is still a couple of years away from his. Think of it this way, Bonderman is one year behind Harang in quality, but 4 years ahead in the age where he put up that performance. I don't know if he's ever shown signs of injury, but if not, then I would say he projects to be a better pitcher than Harang in 4 seasons. I think the Reds could argue that is the reason why Harang doesn't deserve any more money than Bonderman.
now that's what I'm talking about
Thanks, Slyde.
So can Wayne get it done? That's the question.
Harang = Horse
Harang and Arroyo and Bailey = Hope for '08.
But Milton and Lohse will need to be replaced by then, which is a daunting task.
Draft arms, Kriv, draft arms.
by ohiobobcat on Dec 18, 2006 10:27 PM EST reply actions
arroyo
BA signed through '08
I agree absolutely...
Or just keep
Forgot the catchers...
by Paul Householder on Dec 19, 2006 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
and utility infielders
don't forget...
by KAredsfan on Dec 19, 2006 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Minor developments
Japanese relievers
FWIW
This one just has to get done
by Gage on Dec 19, 2006 12:55 PM EST reply actions
Marquis, Cubs finalize $21 million, 3-year deal
$21 million for three years makes a little more sense.
No it still doesn't make sensee
by cesarhernandez on Dec 19, 2006 10:35 PM EST reply actions

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