Who's the NL MVP?
Red Reporters, make your voices heard! I won't bother listing any stats. You know where to find them and you know who these guys are. Also I'll hold off giving my opinion since I would surely sway everyone with my brilliant rhetoric and ruin the already tenuous scientificness of the poll.
And I need to type more. The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Mudville nine that day / the score stood four to two with but one inning left to play.
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SB MVP Vote
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Avg. .326 5th in NL
Obp. .387 24th in NL
Slg. .586 5th in NL
OPS. .973 7th in NL
Runs 119 5th in NL
RBI 114 9th in NL
Total bases 353 4th in NL
Hits 196 7th in NL
Doubles 45 9th in NL
XBH 84 2nd in NL
Runs Created 132 6th in NL
Then throw in 10 stolen bases and 34 home runs
(oh yeah if you think its all due to Coors, his ops+ [park adjusted] is 139 good for 7th best). His biggest downfall is unstellar batting w/RISP,hitting into too many double plays, and K'ing quite a bit. Still being able to put up the numbers he has deserves a mention. I havent heard much of any press about him all year.
Now I'll unleash the righteous fury of my opinion!
Win Shares
Pujols 39
Beltran 38
Berkman 34
Cabrera 34
Wright 32
Howard 31
Soriano 30
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Holliday 22
Adjusting for position really hurts Howard. Big offensive production is just worth so much more at centerfield than first base.
Win Shares Above Baseline
Beltran 27
Pujols 26
Berkman 21
Cabrera 21
Wright 19
Bonds 18
Howard 18
Pujols and Howard had monster seasons and it wouldn't be a tragedy if either won. It just seems we're not moving forward with the understanding of park effects and defensive value.
OPS
Pujols 1.102
Howard 1.084
Beltran .982
Runs Created
Pujols 150
Howard 137
Beltran 125
So Beltran has some ground to make up with his glove. However those differences aren't so great win you factor in baserunning and park effects.
Beltran stole 18 bases at an amazing 85.7% success rate.
Pujols is no slouch--7 at 77.8%
Howard didn't attempt a steal.
Shea Stadium ranked 14th in run scoring.
Citizen's Bank: 5th New Busch: 11th
Hence Beltran's splits:
Home .224/.368/.487 15HR
Away .317/.406/.683 26HR
This is why some metrics show Beltran producing more offense than Howard.
Batting Win Shares
Pujols 36.3
Beltran 30.0
Howard 29.8
And then we get to defense where the top centerfielder blows away first basemen.
Fielding Win Shares
Beltran 8.3
Pujols 2.4
Howard 1.2
A lot of defensive metrics like UZR are proprietary and haven't been released yet, but here's Chris Dial's Runs Saved per 150 games as of late August. It's a rate stat so I wouldn't expect it to change much.
RS/150
Beltran 16
Pujols 1
Howard -1
If you don't care for fancy defensive metrics, Beltran has made 2 errors all year. I conclude that Beltran topped Howard pretty handily. Pujols is closer but I'd still give it to the best player on the best team this year. I agree with Marc Normandin at BeyondtheBoxscore.
So there you go really; if you want the best overall player, you can't be faulted for picking either Albert Pujols or Carlos Beltran. If you prefer to use the convoluted "best player on a fringe contending team that wouldn't be where it was without the help of said star", then you have Miguel Cabrera. What you don't have is the guy leading the league in RBI and homeruns, and I don't think I really should have to get into why that doesn't matter.
there you go with your park effects again
nah
All I can say is, Soriano must have been one motivated dude this year because he had himself a helluva season, easily the best of his career. I'm not sure I'd want to be the team signing his checks next year though.
OTHER: Ryan Franklin.
Pujols
That's the argument
The Cards only won by 1.5 games, so if you take away any impact player they don't make the playoffs. This argument essentially gives Pujols extra credit because they lost 8 in a row down the stretch. And I don't like punishing Beltran just because Minaya did a better job of surrounding him with talent. Also his 38 win shares suggests the Mets would be in a dog fight with the Phillies without him.
I assume this means you're not a supporter of Jeter in the AL. Hell, with this line of thinking the MVPs wouldn't have gone to Foster, Morgan, Pete and Johnny in the '70s. Baseball history suggest MVPs frequently go to the best player on the best team. It also suggests a slugger who doesn't bring much to the table defensively usually doesn't fare well except for years in which he completely laps the field (Ted Williams, Freaky Bonds) and that hasn't happened here.
And a very small item of consideration: Pujols won last year. The Mets have never had an MVP.
my criteria for Most Valuable Player
Just my opinion.
very true
they really are an awful team, aren't they?
that's fine
I put an AL poll up now.
morgan
anyway, it would be hard for me to say, when i never actually saw morgan play. i can't judge everything by the numbers.
by the way, i'm a big beltran fan. i liked him when he was with the royals even...back when only 3 maybe 4 people knew he existed. i just think pujols is far more valuable. (a 7-game cards/mets series would probably go to the mets...take out beltran/pujols, and the mets probably sweep the series. that's not scientific, but it's the way i'm seeing things)
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My point is this take-the-player-out argument is not consistent with what the MVP has traditionally meant. If it were prevalent back then Dave Parker or Willie Stargell would have won for Pittsburgh.
Good Lord
Now if you'll forgive me, I have to take my Metamucil and yell at some kids to get the hell off of my lawn...

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