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Trade Deadline News and Notes

*  From Newsday:

The Yankees called Cincinnati about Ken Griffey Jr., but the Reds called back to say, "No thanks." Which stunned everyone, given that the Reds finally had their chance to get out of most of the $47 million remaining on Griffey's contract.

Regarding the Reds' intractability, one NL exec said: "They've made Kent Mercker damn near untouchable. Kent Mercker!"

The Reds allegedly were talking to the Angels, Dodgers and Astros about Adam Dunn but most believe they're too petrified to do anything.

Not sure how I feel about this.  It seems like it'd be a no brainer to get rid of Junior's contract and be able to play Kearns/Pena/Dunn every day.  Chris Denorfia and Jacob Cruz are solid reserve outfielders.  It doesn't really make sense not to at least consider trading Griffey.

*  From the Enquirer:

Less than 20 hours from the trading deadline, it was beginning to look as if the Reds' dealings were done a week ago when they traded third baseman Joe Randa.

"If I had to handicap it, I'd say we're probably not going to do anymore," Reds general manager Dan O'Brien said Saturday afternoon.

That means infielder Rich Aurilia, the one Red who all logic says could be traded, won't be moved by today's 4 p.m. non-waiver deadline.

It's hard not to have the terrifying thought that Dan O'Brien really doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

*  From the Star Ledger:

Yankees GM Brian Cashman said he was still looking for pitching, and the Yankees are known to be interested in many relief pitchers including Scott Eyre, Scott Sauerbeck, Kent Mercker and Ron Villone. Asked about finding a new center fielder, Cashman said that was "unrealistic, given the choices out there." Tony Womack started in center field for the Yankees last night.

*  The Marlins also are looking for relievers:

The Reds have two affordable arms in David Weathers and lefty Kent Mercker and are looking for pitching prospects in return.

Weathers, a favorite of Marlins manager Jack McKeon, is the better bet to return for a third tour in South Florida.

*  Dunn has been mentioned in the Red Sox rumors:

Again, there are multiple reports that the Red Sox will not stop with one blockbuster, seeking to deal for Adam Dunn (using Abe Alvarez, Jon Papelbon and Lastings Milledge) or for Billy Wagner (for Jon Lester and Milledge, plus a pitcher widely expected to be Bronson Arroyo). The Reds continue to insist they are not making any deals.

*  Jason LaRue is possibly headed to San Diego:

Sources tell us that the Reds may have been very precise with their language. They may not be dealing an outfielder, but they have been talking about dealing Jason LaRue to the Padres. Sending the catcher westward apparently was first discussed during the Joe Randa negotiations, but the two couldn't be completed as one transaction. The Padres looked around and came back to the Reds for the best available catcher.

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I have mixed feelings about Griffey...
He is overpaid for what he does, but I really like him as a player.  I went out and bought a #30 jersey the year the trade was announced.  He is really a professional, and he has comported himself very well, considering all the crap he has had to take over the years from fickle fans.

Nevertheless, that $47 million would go a long way towards getting a real #1 starter.  My fear, of course is that Wily Mo really is a sideshow attraction rather than an every-day player, because guys who have no strike zone judgment are always scary to me.

Dunn is pretty much a known quantity at this point, and at least he gets on base a lot and hits a lot of home runs.

By all indications, Kearns is probably good for .300-20-90 every year, which is pretty darned good.

Wily Mo is a real tossup.  I like him (especially because of the name--it's so fun to say), but I am not sure whether, as a hitter, he is a young Sammy Sosa or a young Dave Kingman.

That being said, it is easier to find outfield help than it is to find pitching help, and the Reds seem to have less trouble developing outfielders than pitchers.

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2005 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Dan O
Dan'O s strategy could be good long term or bad.  If he has high standards for his trades he could either end up discuraging all negotiations, or raising the bar.  I get the feeling he is erring on the side of discouraging negotiations.

by TheDude @ Red Reporter on Jul 31, 2005 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

dan o'dunn
i don't think he's as dumb as he looks...danny-boy's waiting out for 2 things: possible new ownership and trading dunn in the off-season. dan's not a flashy trade guy a la bowden...i don't think he likes the pressure of making blockbuster deals during the season. if done correctly, we can get at least one front line starter and a handful of top prospects. at this point there's nothing to lose, so i'm willing to wait and see what he can do with this capital.

by sotofan on Jul 31, 2005 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

good and bad
Griffey's contract isn't an issue -- yes, he makes a lot of money, but when he's healthy he's a hell of a player. The problem contracts on the Reds are the $8 million deals for players who just don't produce much (Sean Casey) or hurt the team every time they step on the field (Eric Milton). The key isn't trading BIG contracts, it's trading BAD contracts, then turning that money into good players (regardless of their fame or the size of the deals).

That means keeping Griffey and Dunn (even if Dunn gets a huge deal in arbitration), and dumping Casey and Milton (among others) even if it means getting only marginal prospects in return (because, let's face it, as much as we all admire Casey as a person, marginal prospects are all you're going to get for him because he's way overpaid).

by bogeymcduff on Jul 31, 2005 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Griffey's contract
Has enormous potential to become a problem contract is why I would advocate trading him.

He may be worth what the Reds are paying him right now, but given his age and injury history, it is likely not to be the case in 2007 or 2008.

Don't mind me...just pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2005 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't disagree
Good point, I wouldn't disagree (about Griffey's contract having the potential to become really really bad). I just don't think he's a priority right now, given the (in my opinion) much worse deals on the books.

That said, you can only trade the players in whom there's interest, so if the Yanks made an amazing offer for Griffey it would be a mistake to turn it down. But sound like it never even reached that point ...

I would put most of the team on waivers and see if they make it through unclaimed, then keep working to dump Casey, Milton, Mercker, Aurilia, et.al. If people want to ask about Griffey, listen, but don't make him a priority; take Dunn off the table.

by bogeymcduff on Jul 31, 2005 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I were D OB, I'd be afraid to trade Griff
I think Bowden finally got the golden axe because he traded Junior twice, and Carl Lindner didn't like it. Of course, Jim traded him for Phil Nevin. thankyouverymuch.
Love is a burnin' thing. It makes a fiery ring. thankyouverymuch

by oldcleat on Aug 2, 2005 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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