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Mr. Allen Goes to Denver

This was discussed a little in yesterday's game thread, but it deserves it's own entry:

Cincinnati Reds chief operating officer John Allen flew to Denver and met with manager Dave Miley on Sunday to discuss the direction of the struggling franchise.

Calling the team's performance this season ``unacceptable,'' Allen said he didn't speak directly to the players, but acknowledged changes could be on the way if things don't turn around soon.

``Certainly the status-quo end result is unacceptable,'' Allen said before Sunday's game against Colorado. ``I'm not going to pinpoint names, but I don't think any of us find this acceptable. We have some very professional players in this locker room that I know are in a lot of misery right now.''

And from Hal McCoy:

Appearing unexpectedly like an apparition and with a demeanor that had the players thinking, "Grim Reaper," club president John Allen walked in the door.

Changes coming? Will manager Dave Miley be fired? Will pitching coach Don Gullett and hitting coach Chris Chambliss be swept out the door?

Allen acted as if anything is possible.

[...]

Allen emphasized he wasn't in town to tell anybody how to play the game.

"I never played the game professionally and I have people in place to run the baseball operations and my role is to re-enforce what needs to be done," he said.

Asked why he was in Denver instead of general manager Dan O'Brien, he said, "Dan is just a notch above the food chain, while everybody knows I represent Mr. Lindner and ownership and we want it known it goes all the way to the top that we're concerned."

I bolded what I found interesting.  There's no way management can be feeling comfortable right now.

I don't think a change is coming today (especially since the amateur draft is tomorrow), but I think there's going to be some house cleaning in a week or two if the Reds don't pick it up a little.

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This was nothing but a PR stunt to sell a few more tickets for the 6 home games this week.

Sure, they may fire Miley, Gullet, or Chambliss, but what is that going to accomplish?  This team stinks, plain and simple.

by mikes on Jun 6, 2005 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chambliss?
Why would Chambliss be gone?  The offense scored more runs in May than it has in 30 years.  The hitters are not the problem.  
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Pinch hitting at Reds (and Blues)

by Slyde on Jun 6, 2005 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point
Any chance we might draft a manager tomorrow?  I should have slipped JD that tip before yesterday's mock draft.
Brian B

by Brian B on Jun 6, 2005 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This club stinks, but more than it should
I agree that the team stinks, and I never thought it had enough talent to win the division (absent a miracle).  But nearly everyone on the club (save Lopez, Harang, and Freel) is performing somewhere between "just barely below expectations" (Randa, Jr and Dunn) to utterly terrible (most everyone else).  

Someone has to take the blame for that.  Most of O'Brien's moves were dumb, but even the biggest pessimist wouldn't have predicted that they ALL would flop.

by cggarb on Jun 6, 2005 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not all Miley's fault, I know,
but in the immortal words of Beavis:

Fire him! Fire him! Fire! Fire!

Where have you gone, Johnny Vander Meer?

by jgoodfri on Jun 6, 2005 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Grinch
Looks like this was to put Miley, Gullett and the coaches on notice since Allen did nnot talk to the players. But there is plenty of blame to go around as to why they are the way they are. Poor game managing, poor off field operation, poor play, etc..

The players have to bear the brunt of the blame, since they are the ones on the field. They do not have the talent to simply show up and go through the motions and still win games. With all the area of weakness that they display they must hustle and play hard all the time. I saw a little of that yesterday, Casey hustling, The Bad Man getting in the mix on the foul ball pickle play and some great "D" by several players.

But then I also saw Dunn loafing on the infamous foul ball. That is the type of immature play that could keep him from reaching greatness.

This team needs to get it together or it will be broken up in the off season.

In the immortal words of Dr. Suess when describing the Grinch the Reds Stink, Stank, Stunk!!

Where is Mario Soto when you need him?

by Caleb on Jun 6, 2005 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I think they have to fire Miley as soon as possible. I'm generally one of the last to talk about a manager losing a team or team chemistry being a problem but this is a case where I think it's really a problem.

Between the massage chair incident and the benchings the other day it appears that Miley is going out of his way to do stupid things to piss off Griffey and Dunn. Dunn is the best player on the team and Griffey used to be one of the best in the game; if those two stop respecting the manager then nobody is going to take him seriously.

by Jim Wisinski on Jun 6, 2005 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

best on team
Dunn certainly has the potential to b ethe best, an all timer but he has to grow up and quit pouting like a 3 year old who had his candy taken from him. He should go the other direction and play hard.
Where is Mario Soto when you need him?

by Caleb on Jun 6, 2005 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of what he did
To tick off Dunn and Griffey, he deserves to be let go simply because he makes me wish Bob Boone were back.
No, not the real Paul Householder...just a fan who remembers the wretched 1982 Reds.

by Paul Householder on Jun 6, 2005 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boone?
What about McNamara?
Where have you gone, Johnny Vander Meer?

by jgoodfri on Jun 6, 2005 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many times do the Reds play the Mets?
Graves is now with them.
No, not the real Paul Householder...just a fan who remembers the wretched 1982 Reds.

by Paul Householder on Jun 7, 2005 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh
I think the Reds are done with the Mets because of the unbalanced schedule.  Aren't they?
Brian B

by Brian B on Jun 7, 2005 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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